Live cash game at really cheap stakes (25p/25p) with really bad players (I was one of the best there I'd estimate and I'm not very good) going in with the most random of hands. A couple of decent players, in this instance the guy in UTG+1 at the very least knew what he was doing. Can't give much more info as I was pretty drunk by midnight when this hand happened.

UTG+1 opens to 4x (£1) MP calls Hero calls with As3s in HJ folds round to BB who calls.

Flop is AhKd10s. +1 opens for ~50% pot so £2, MP calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn is an Ad, UTG+1 opens again for ~50% pot again (£5.50), MP re-raises to roughly 3x (£15) of UTG+1 turn open. Right now is where I actually feel pretty good about the hand but decided to slow play it. BB folds UTG+1 jams for about £100 more and MP calls with about £80 in his stack. I have them both covered. So it was about £100 to win £220

I umed and ahhed about this for a minute or two but eventually folded. UTG+1 ended up having QJ and MP ended up having K10 (I don't think he realised he had been counterfeited).

In the long run was this a good fold or a very tight fold. My read was that UTG+1 could possibly have me drawing dead as he could have a lot of A10, AJ AK in his range opening from UTG+1. AQ had me outkicked, and QJ was also beating me.

After MP called as well I was even more worried (to be honest about him I genuinely had no idea what he may have as he didn't 3-bet in an earlier hand with AK when I probably would have). QJ was definitly in his range.

It worked out for me, but on this board with the info that MP was a fish and UTG+1 knew what he was doing, didn't get out of line all night and wasn't 3 betting and re-raising a whole lot; was this a good fold in the long run? Would you have done similiar? I was over the moon with it at the time, but it got me thinking about whether or not this was the right play over time. Was my thinking for folding correct?

I would be throwing up and hating my life about now. You need to look up what relative hand strength means and apply it in this scenario. You beat literally nothing that would be considered a good hand and you're about to flick in 400 big blinds on it.

I don't understand. What did I do wrong? I didn't throw in 400 big blinds, I'll admit I thought about it in the game I was in, espescally when people were going in with K10 and no flush draw. Also the game was playing much bigger than the 25p blind suggest, quite often the open pre-flop was 12x. Was the call on the initial re-raise on the turn wrong?

My thought process behind maybe calling was that I may be chopping with other weak aces.

"Relative hand strength" means that in most situations trips is a good hand. Trips with no kicker facing a bet and a raise before you act on the turn... not so much.

Exactly - the worst hand you can expect to see is a chop. There are still a bunch of hands that have you drawing dead/very slim.

It's good to make adjustments for very loose games but don't over-adjust. When deep stacks start going in you'll still need to be careful.

So the call after the first re-raise was a mistake? After the 3-bet on the turn from a decent player I was confident I was behind, but the initial re-raise from the fishy player I wasn't convinced.

I find an easy fold on the turn 3B. It's not nitty; it's a clear read that you are behind the majority of the time.

Now if the turn card is a blank spade.....NOW we have a conundrum.

MP's turn raise is not a three bet, although I agree OP must fold facing a bet and a raise, despite having trips.

There was a 3-bet from utg+1 after I called. You think I should have folded to the turn raise? I was actually ahead of him by quite some way.

Sorry...yes fold to original raise.

If you are thinking "oh, I was ahead"....you are forgetting your ranges. You are clearly behind one....if not both.....ranges with the turn raise.

((sample size of one hand is completely results oriented))

edit: Also, what card are you hoping hits the table on the river?

Yes that is what I said.


You were ahead of one of the players, but there are two to be concerned with, and the chances that you beat both of them are not very good.

You should also fold before the flop.

The table I was on there was no way I was folding before the flop, also don't think I could on most tables with A3s. Also didn't think UTG+1 was as strong as he was til he 3-bet. Didn't necessarily think he was even gonna call the re-raise. If UTG+1 had called and not 3-bet I'm not sure I would have called a river bet but folding to the re-raise feels like it would have been to tight for the table I was on.

So the consensus is fold to the re-raise. Hmmmm wouldn't have expected that. I suppose looking back I was hoping either a 10 J or K, maybe a 3 if I was against a weaker ace.

It's the raise you should fold to, not the reraise jam (3Bet).

And if this response from us surprises you..... work on your hand reading.

Go back to pre-flop and assign for both villains. Write this range down...each hand. Do the same after flop...but ONLY subtract hands, never add.

Do the same on the turn after UTG bets and MP raises.

Will do, thanks for the advice.