Hey guys i am new to 2+2 but heard its a great way to improve and get input from like minded individuals. So i am going to try my best to explain the hand and just wanted some more insight also please let me know if i missing any key details that would help paint the picture better. So here it goes the hand takes place at my local casino i am playing 2/5 PLO pretty loose game.

We are nine handed utg calls the 5, utg+3 raised to $20 folds all the way to the button he calls, SB calls, i am the BB and look down at J,T,8,7 ss i call for 15 more. The flop comes 9,8,5 rainbow. SB checks I check utg checks utg+3 bet pot button folds SB pushs all in for a little more than $400 i tank for a sec then push my stack about a little more than $600, utg pushes his stack a little under $400, utg calls (he's got somewhere around 2.5-3k behind) so 3 all ins turn comes K, river comes K. Utg+3 shows AAxx for two pair, sb mucks, i muck, utg mucks, utg+3 scoops the little over 2k pot.

My question is when playing live nine handed PLO game how much do i need to factor that in a nine handed game more than half the deck has already been dealt?? Also how bad is my play in this situation? Thanks guys i appreciate any feed back. Hope this is a 1st of many

-Will

Welcome to 2+2!

Not at all, since all 48 cards not in your hand (and all 45 after the flop is dealt) are unknown to you. For all we know, (almost) all or (almost) none of your outs might be left in the deck. Since we have no idea about that, we don't factor any unknown cards into our calculations.
It's a little tough to tell because of the way you posted the hand, but if I understand correctly, you started the hand with a little over $620, and there are 5 to the flop for a pot of $100 and UTG+3 pots the flop?

Yes .. Welcome .. There are PLO strategy forums in the 'Other Poker' section of the forums listing. So this thread may get moved there to receive more comment.

I'm not PLO expert, but this type of spot does look enticing for sure. But is it really everything it looks like?
1) A 6, 7 or Q gives you a 'currently' nutted straight, so that's 11 outs going to the Turn that WILL give you the best hand. You are priced into this with the 3 other all-ins setting the pot up at just over 3 to 1 odds.

2) Someone might already have the straight, so a 6 and 7 might be missing. You might also be sharing cards (similar wraps) with another (or two) of the all-ins which leads to each of you blocking the shared outs and might lead to chopping as well.

3) If someone has a set there's always a chance that the Board will pair on the River even if you nut the Turn.

4) IMO PLO players 'love' 7 through Q cards since they can go either direction with straights, but also typically involved a pair in the hole ... 998J/889T/8TTQ. I'm a little surprised there was no set here.

From the outside looking in a lot of PLO players will take your hand over the AA once this Flop comes out. So from that perspective it's not a bad play. You have no way of knowing that UTG is also shoving or that 'a lot' of your outs are tied up in other all-ins. Your 'savior' here is that you do have 3 cards to draw to that would be the 'current' nuts if hit on the Turn and would be the nuts if the Turn is a non-flushy blank (2,3,4,A,K) .. and you are only blocking 1 of them in your hand. GL

Yea thanks for replying
Yes started with $620 and utg+3 pots the flop

Will try to work on explaining my hands better

Hey I just want to take a second to say thank you to both of you guys this is awesome, will definitely be posting more hand histories and situations.

I mean if 11 outs give you the complete nuts and you have 3 outs for a very strong hand (although likely dominated) it can't be that bad. The guy with aces basically put his money in dead and was probably like 20% to win the hand.

this is suuuper standard with this spr, might have to give it some thought deeper, but vs most reasonable ranges you want to be stacking off close to always 3way

the only way for you to be in a very bad shape is if one player has a set and the other one has QJTx, but even then you have over 20% equity, which isnt terrible 3way (considering it is the worst case scenario)

If we are talking worst case, he probably has ~10% to win and close to 20% to tie.

Doesn’t make the stack-off less standard, especially if people stack of AAxx here.

The good news is that everyone at the table sucks.

Minimum for that amount of action should be top set or the current nut straight, preferably with a redraw.

You don't factor in how many hands have been dealt at all.

And fold.

u have a massive 17 cards wrap there, u r very luckely to have the best hand on the flop, (u r abt 65% favorite against nuts) it s very standard donk bet, if there is no nuts u have chanche to take it down if the board does not pair although u dont hit by betting all the way, i would bet arround 50 to 65, depending on the field, into a 85 pot pre, then bet arround 60 to 70% on turn and river regardless if u hit or not unless the board pairs up

1) 17 cards? .. teach me .. are you including 2-pr and trip outs?
2) Best 'drawing' hand maybe? We have one pair of 8s with J kicker right now!
3) Yes, we could be a slight favorite over some AA/KK type of hands ... I think 65% might be a little high without any flush draws within reach right now.
4) Yes, we could Donk bet since we 'should' be willing to GII on this Flop
5) I don't mind betting below pot on the Flop to get an extra caller maybe, but if it blanks we need to pot the Turn ... there wont be much left behind for the River anyway. GL

1)u got 4 queens, 3 sevens, 3 jacks, 4 sixs, and 3 tens for a tot of 17.
2)u have such a massive draw u should not count what u have right away but rather what you ur odds r ofc
3) against hands like AAxx KKxx u r 65 to 70 % favorite
5) ofc u must be willing to GII on the flop if u r facing a raise to u donk bet.
and yes you have room to controll the SPR with ur size, pot 100 pre and u got 600, so bet 65, lets say u get 2 call pot ll be 230, bet 160 turn and lets say u get one call , and u ll still have 395 behind into a 550 pot

Yes ... I was only counting 'nut' outs. The J/T don't give you the nuts but do give you the 2nd/middle straight. Which of course those are way better than what we have right now with our pair of 8s! GL