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09-25-2018 , 01:55 PM
.1/.2 6max

Hero UTG 50% vpip $16.06
V BB 20% vpip $19.26

Hero raises to .8 with Q10, folds to V in bb who raises to $3.4, hero calls

$7.10 Flop: 10 7 2

V leads for 1/2 pot, Hero?

Without any more stats, what kind of equity would my hand have against a tag 3b range there?
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09-25-2018 , 02:06 PM
Why are you raising half your hands unless you've played like four hands, in which case why mention it?

Why are you raising pre?

Why are you calling a 3b?
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09-25-2018 , 02:18 PM
Did you run this in equilab? What did it say?
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09-25-2018 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
Without any more stats, what kind of equity would my hand have against a tag 3b range there?
Hand count on stats matter.

Just curious, what range do you give villain TAG?

((And then.....what equity do you have when you plug the hands into EquiLab?))
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09-25-2018 , 02:25 PM
If you flop top pair after putting in >20% of your stack preflop, the game plan shouldn’t include folding.

Are you asking if shoving is better than calling? That depends on villains calling range.
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09-25-2018 , 02:32 PM
Against my default (and very tight/strong) range for 3-betting in BBvUTG, you've got 51% equity on the flop before there's any action.
I c-bet some of my value hands, and check some of them. You're in horrible shape vs the range that bets and barrels. Because I almost always have better than QT if I continue on the turn. (I'm only c-betting AKs if it has a BDFD).

I think you should fold pre vs a BB 3-bet with this hand. Isn't it basically the bottom of your UTG opening range? If so, you can't call with it, or you'd have a 'fold to 3-bet' stat of close to zero, which would be terrible.
BB's 3-bet range is heavily weighted towards JJ+/AK/AQs. QTs doesn't beat a single hand in that range, and you've only flipping even when you flop top pair.
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09-25-2018 , 02:35 PM
If villain has a 3b range of tt+ aq/aks ako, equilab shows hero's hand at 47.5%

Yes, asking if shoving is better than calling. I would assume Villain only calls with tt+. Which would put hero's hand in the 21% range
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09-25-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Hand count on stats matter.

Just curious, what range do you give villain TAG?

((And then.....what equity do you have when you plug the hands into EquiLab?))
Hero hands are over 10k and villain has about 3k on these stats
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09-25-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
Hero hands are over 10k and villain has about 3k on these stats
Just to confirm....

You put money into the pot 50% of the time from UTG over 10K hands?
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09-25-2018 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Just to confirm....

You put money into the pot 50% of the time from UTG over 10K hands?
No, 50% from all positions combined.
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09-25-2018 , 03:01 PM
I am sorry fellas, I lost it with king spew's last post. I read it in the same tone that I would have said it.

This is a hand that another 2+2 user and I got into earlier this morning. I am actually the villain in this hand. We discussed the hand a little, and to get some outside perspective I figured I would post it on here to see if what you guys said lined up with what I said.
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09-25-2018 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Why are you raising half your hands unless you've played like four hands, in which case why mention it?
VPIP stands for voluntarily put in pot, and represents how frequently you play before the flop, including calls, not to be confused with PFR which represents how frequently you raise before the flop.
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09-25-2018 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
No, 50% from all positions combined.
Assume UTG VP$IP is snug...I'm with Arty, let's fold to the raise PF. Bottom of your range. Villain looks at entire range and raises OOP.....he's pretty strong.
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09-25-2018 , 03:42 PM
With an SPR of 2 it's time to rip it in, the pot is too big relative to your stack to get fancy and just call. Other than that, fold pre both times.
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09-25-2018 , 09:24 PM
The “hero” elected to ship it, I “the villain” snap called with AA and he spiked a 10 on the river.
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09-25-2018 , 09:38 PM
Fold at every opportunity. QT is a fine open in late position but not UTG.
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09-26-2018 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
The “hero” elected to ship it, I “the villain” snap called with AA and he spiked a 10 on the river.
Ah, the classic bad beat post disguised as a question about strategy.
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09-26-2018 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
Ah, the classic bad beat post disguised as a question about strategy.
Not at all, I knew where he stood as far as equity and all with his hand. We discussed it afterwards and had a difference of opinion. He was thinking it was a coin flip and I was trying to explain that it wasn't even close to a coin flip in regards to what my 3b range would be in this exact situation and oop.

I am not one to post bad beat stories like that because I have plenty to post. lol. AA cracked by 74 in a 3b pot, run turn and river 3 times and he makes a boat all 3 times. AT clubs cracked by 72o in a 3b pot, flop a flush and he flops 2pr and run it twice and he makes a boat both times. I don't need to disguise a post to complain about a bad beat for $9 lol. I wanted to get some non biased points for HIS side of the hand.
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09-26-2018 , 08:46 AM
As played folding postflop is out of the question and jamming is not as bad as it seems if there is any chance you're cbetting with AQ/AK/KQ/89s etc and your hand benefits from some protection.

The open with QTs is fine as well except for the sizing, calling the >4x 3bet is ridiculous.
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09-26-2018 , 09:29 AM
Now to turn it around from my side a little, say I did 3b with kqs or aks/ako, shouldn't my cbet most likely be smaller than half pot? Because that is a board that we would want to c-bet after 3betting regularly often and it is not really a super dynamic board.
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09-26-2018 , 09:55 AM
BB can choose from multiple sizings on this board, as long as he changes his frequencies to fit the sizing. e.g. he could choose a small size and probably bet almost all his AK/AQ/KQs along with with the overpairs. I think bigger might actually better though. The AK/AQ/KQs with low equity could check(-fold), and the combos with BDFDs could bomb it to make underpairs fold, while the overpairs would like to play for stacks ASAP. With a $16 starting stack, it's only gonna take two bets to get all in with AA, isn't it? If you're deeper then dosing your bets over 3 streets (starting smaller on the flop) might be better.
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09-26-2018 , 09:58 AM
For 1/2 pot sizing AKs probably needs to call it off though getting 2.5:1. If there is any chance you're getting jammed on by 89s/J9s it's a must call.
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09-26-2018 , 10:24 AM
It was meeeeeeee.

I told him in the chat that i conceded the preflop call was bad but on the flop i was a coinflip against his range. Post flop was fine it was just an irritated/impatient pre flop error. i'm getting 3-1 meaning i only need 25% equity considering i'm 50% against this range i'm getting 3-1 when i only need 1-1 meaning i make 2 units of 4 in the long term when i make this call aka a 50% correct play. You wouldn't say no to a sit n go that had a reverse rake of 50% as in they give you half a buy in with your buy in just for playing so why would i give up this bargain post flop?

Last edited by Cfoye; 09-26-2018 at 10:42 AM.
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09-26-2018 , 10:48 AM
i guess what i'm also implying is that you will follow through with 100% of your preflop cbet range which is a fair assertion isn't it? Would you 3 bet with ak and then check instead of cbetting with an spr of <1?

would you really check fold ak here? my auto assumption there is that you wouldn't, but i'm open minded and enjoy learning from my errors if i'm off base here. No disrespect intended.

Last edited by Cfoye; 09-26-2018 at 10:55 AM.
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09-26-2018 , 10:52 AM
p.s i asked him on the app chat if he was arty and he laughed and said no. I did laugh out loud. Shout out to Arty.
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