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Old 08-29-2017, 12:45 AM   #1
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Jack-high flush facing all in

Turbo tournament. Blinds 1,000/2,000. My stack 28,000, villain's 34,000. Couple limpers, SB/villain completed. Villain is a reg. I am dealt Jd-4d. I check.

Flop: 8d-6d-4s. Villain bets 7,000. I call. Remaining players fold. Pot 22,000.

Turn: 2d. Villain goes all in, effectively for my remaining 21,000. Pot 43,000.

I have the fourth nuts, villain could have diamond combo of Ax, Kx, Qx to beat me, or 10x diamonds which I beat. Villain could also have sets, two pair, straights, which I beat. I would be calling 21,000 to win 43,000+21,000=64,000 or 0.33:1. I figure I need about 33% chance of winning to call. Does villain have enough combos that I beat to call?

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Old 08-29-2017, 12:54 AM   #2
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Only you know your villain but this is a trivial call without some huge read.

I seldom play tournaments but FWIW I jam over his flop lead.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:12 AM   #3
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

I shove flop.

Turn is a super easy call.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:30 AM   #4
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Only you know your villain but this is a trivial call without some huge read.

I seldom play tournaments but FWIW I jam over his flop lead.
FWIW, I may not have had the pair to go along with the flush draw. Not sure what that last card was, but it was a low card.

What makes it an easy call on the turn? Doesn't the prospect of villain having a better flush give you pause?
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:46 AM   #5
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FWIW, I may not have had the pair to go along with the flush draw. Not sure what that last card was, but it was a low card.
Having that pair or not having that pair is important for determining flop play.

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What makes it an easy call on the turn? Doesn't the prospect of villain having a better flush give you pause?
No pause. Tons of worse hands villain could have. I don't even have a need to do any math in this spot; you're winning way more than you need to win to be profitable.
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Old 08-29-2017, 03:14 AM   #6
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

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I shove flop.

Turn is a super easy call.
This

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FWIW, I may not have had the pair to go along with the flush draw. Not sure what that last card was, but it was a low card.
Then PAY ATTENTION so you know this sort of incredibly important thing

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What makes it an easy call on the turn? Doesn't the prospect of villain having a better flush give you pause?
No, we have a pot sized bet left and a flush. Besides, if he did have a bigger flush, he'd probably check because we're so shallow and allow worse hands to bluff him
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Old 08-29-2017, 03:33 AM   #7
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What makes it an easy call on the turn? Doesn't the prospect of villain having a better flush give you pause?
We have a flush and million to one pot odds, so no.
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Old 08-29-2017, 06:13 AM   #8
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

In this spot I wish I had a bunch of 5k chips hidden behind my stack so I could put in more money.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:25 AM   #9
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If you start a hand with 14BB and make any flush that uses both your hole cards, the thought of folding at any point shouldn't even cross your mind.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:02 PM   #10
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As played, call. I would rather have shoved the flop though.
We can't fold this hand with 14 big blinds.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:36 PM   #11
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

Think of it this way as well:

If some posters above are advocating for YOU to shove on the flop with a FD and bottom pair (and I agree as short as we are).......... don't you think that villain will have draws in his range when he pushes turn?

You are WAY ahead of range on the turn.
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Old 08-29-2017, 02:58 PM   #12
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I shove flop. Turn is a super easy call.
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If you start a hand with 14BB and make any flush that uses both your hole cards, the thought of folding at any point shouldn't even cross your mind.
A + B = workable stack or SB/BB cooler There are plenty of combos out there that making this 2 to 1 call is correct .. including the OESFD and Ad8x or similar. GL
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:55 PM   #13
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

If you were going to consider folding a flush on the turn, why did you call with a flush draw on the flop?
As others have said, based on the stack-sizes, a check-shove on the flop would be fine. As played, the turn is a snap call.
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Old 08-29-2017, 06:56 PM   #14
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If you were going to consider folding a flush on the turn, why did you call with a flush draw on the flop?
As others have said, based on the stack-sizes, a check-shove on the flop would be fine. As played, the turn is a snap call.
I guess I was thrown off by the line villain took.
I'd play the nut flush draw that got there similarly. I'd expect
the non-flush hands to check that turn in case I was drawing to a flush.
But villain's shove came off as super strong, like she wasn't bothered by the three diamonds.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:24 PM   #15
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I guess I was thrown off by the line villain took.
I'd play the nut flush draw that got there similarly. I'd expect
the non-flush hands to check that turn in case I was drawing to a flush.
But villain's shove came off as super strong, like she wasn't bothered by the three diamonds.
from villain's point of view, he knows flushes are in the high end of your range, and you can have many hands which he can still beat you with when he shoves. There is also some bluff equity here as he makes you second guess your flush. No point betting smaller here for him as he is more or less committed given the low spr.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:23 PM   #16
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I'd play the nut flush draw that got there similarly.
You'd overlimp with Ax of diamonds from the SB?
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Old 08-29-2017, 11:45 PM   #17
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You'd overlimp with Ax of diamonds from the SB?
If it's been limped around to me, I don't see why I'd want to bloat the pot out of position with a weak ace. I'd rather take a cheap flop and hope to see some diamonds.
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Turbo tournament. Blinds 1,000/2,000. My stack 28,000, villain's 34,000. Couple limpers, SB/villain completed. Villain is a reg. I am dealt Jd-4d. I check.

Flop: 8d-6d-4s. Villain bets 7,000. I call. Remaining players fold. Pot 22,000.

Turn: 2d. Villain goes all in, effectively for my remaining 21,000. Pot 43,000.

I have the fourth nuts, villain could have diamond combo of Ax, Kx, Qx to beat me, or 10x diamonds which I beat. Villain could also have sets, two pair, straights, which I beat. I would be calling 21,000 to win 43,000+21,000=64,000 or 0.33:1. I figure I need about 33% chance of winning to call. Does villain have enough combos that I beat to call?

Thanks!
I would have re-raised allin after his continuation bet on the flop. Plenty of chips in the middle now for correct pot odds and you have flopped a fairly decent hand. If this was not a turbo structure I would say to possibly play it more passive. But turbo, easy spot IMO. GL
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:40 AM   #19
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Re: Jack-high flush facing all in

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If it's been limped around to me, I don't see why I'd want to bloat the pot out of position with a weak ace. I'd rather take a cheap flop and hope to see some diamonds.
thats a big mistake, you should be shoving pretty much all suited aces there wtih 17bb
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