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Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples) Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples)

01-22-2018 , 12:03 PM
Hey. I have been autopiloting a lot lately, playing more tables. As result, I have cut down my OOP bluffing vs fish. In a way this is good, since I don't want to find myself in big bloated pots with weak hands while playing many tables.
I haven't put too much thought into what limp/call ranges look like (given VPIP %), and how those ranges connect on board textures.
What I would expect is fish limp/calling (suited) connectors, suited hands (Kx > Qx... > 2x) and all Ax. Some fish may raise broadways, some limp/call them like the 5% PFR guys. So it would seem to me that broadway flops miss the fish often. Same goes for low dry paired flops.
Getting floated by A-high is an issue.
I also feel like just giving up right away. I know that if I hit something good, I can get a lot of money in, or choose a better texture to bluff.

Can anyone give feedback on these hands? (or leaks in my thought process )


h1: I have A-high which can often be the best hand. I have seen fish check down Qhi, even give up completely in limp raise pots.
Should I cbet to take the pot down?
Are fish scared to stab Khi flops??

2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 101 BB
SB: 134.93 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 9

SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) K J 2
Hero checks, SB bets 8 BB, fold

SB wins 7.6 BB

h2: Villain FTCB 60%.
(Low) connected boards are not my favourites to cbet. We could realize our equity also by checking. If villain checks back and we improve, a bet can work >80% of the time in some cases.

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 210 BB (VPIP: 30.69, PFR: 22.02, 3Bet Preflop: 9.16, Hands: 5,869)
BTN: 45.18 BB (VPIP: 69.49, PFR: 17.28, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 284)
SB: 109.68 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 14,876)
Hero (BB): 226.74 BB
UTG: 105.07 BB (VPIP: 25.40, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.13, Hands: 28,367)
MP: 115.74 BB (VPIP: 33.46, PFR: 24.17, 3Bet Preflop: 9.70, Hands: 12,944)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 4 Q 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 5.95 BB, fold

BTN wins 8.08 BB

h3: Should I just cbet bluff this monotone flop and be done with it?
75% vpip guy should have a lot of weak hands he can fold right away. Problem is that it's really hard for me to improve.
If I get floated by non-FD overcards or something I hate my life.

2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 114.33 BB (VPIP: 32.63, PFR: 22.40, 3Bet Preflop: 7.33, Hands: 4,790)
CO: 98.11 BB (VPIP: 76.85, PFR: 28.40, 3Bet Preflop: 9.87, Hands: 337)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.52, PFR: 20.74, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 709)
Hero (SB): 108.46 BB
BB: 101.63 BB (VPIP: 26.05, PFR: 19.71, 3Bet Preflop: 9.08, Hands: 7,731)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 9 2 7
Hero checks, CO bets 4.5 BB, fold

CO wins 8.55 BB

h4: I have found that low boards have low fold equity. If I bet the flop, then I'm way too often just giving up turns, so in that way it may be better to give up the flop right away. Could we xc however?
Should I stab low flops big sizing just to get him off weak hands right away?

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 205.74 BB (VPIP: 27.83, PFR: 21.29, 3Bet Preflop: 9.45, Hands: 3,358)
MP: 243.78 BB (VPIP: 39.57, PFR: 15.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 145)
CO: 20.22 BB (VPIP: 34.42, PFR: 3.25, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 160)
BTN: 179.88 BB (VPIP: 27.24, PFR: 21.29, 3Bet Preflop: 9.58, Hands: 9,197)
SB: 117.2 BB (VPIP: 31.40, PFR: 22.56, 3Bet Preflop: 8.68, Hands: 6,023)
Hero (BB): 122.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 9

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 5 5 4
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, fold

CO wins 8.08 BB

h4: Totally dry flop. I should have the strongest range. Go for the stab? BB villain reg.
My hand is no way done, I checked maybe because I don't want to bet to realize my equity. So many turn cards can improve my hand and I don't have to deal with bloated pot in case I improve.
If they both check and I improve to a draw, my bet should work very often then. I think there's also more fold equity OTT since A-high stops floating then.

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 118.53 BB (VPIP: 26.69, PFR: 20.92, 3Bet Preflop: 9.21, Hands: 11,392)
UTG: 55.78 BB (VPIP: 82.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 36)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 20.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.92, Hands: 6,166)
CO: 157.01 BB (VPIP: 19.42, PFR: 14.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.95, Hands: 26,226)
BTN: 137.93 BB (VPIP: 24.55, PFR: 17.12, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 11,882)
Hero (SB): 164.33 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) T T 3
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 4 BB, fold, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (20 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, UTG bets 12 BB, fold

UTG wins 19 BB


h5: Again, I think it's hard for our hand to improve here, but villain could fold stuff right away. I could go for delayed turn stab as well.
Just cbet flop?
I think it's worth noting that he limp/call UTG, stronger range, more PP's.

2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 32.87, PFR: 23.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.53, Hands: 12,261)
UTG: 258.22 BB (VPIP: 38.78, PFR: 10.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 347)
CO: 152.17 BB (VPIP: 27.71, PFR: 21.73, 3Bet Preflop: 9.34, Hands: 14,806)
BTN: 220.83 BB (VPIP: 30.93, PFR: 23.56, 3Bet Preflop: 12.41, Hands: 39,326)
Hero (SB): 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 4 9 4
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.5 BB, fold

UTG wins 8.55 BB
Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples) Quote
01-22-2018 , 04:00 PM
Post fewer hands at a time and you'll get better responses.

Hand 1 I would c-bet this. You don't have a hand that can be defended very easily after checking. I'd rather check Ax that can be comfortably x/c like AT/AQ. A9o plays poorly as a x/c but plays okay as a bluff since you have an overcard and your opponent has a high FTCB.

Hand 2 take a flop pre. On the flop this probably isn't a great combo to c-bet, but I don't think this board will hit a fish's BU limp/c range too well so I'd c-bet once and be done. It's okay to have an exploitably high c-bet against fish who have weak ranges and don't defend very well.

Hand 3 I'd play the same. You have too little equity to try to continue and there are a lot of single heart and one pair hands the fish may continue with.

Hand 4 check pre. CO is limping hands that dominate you. Check/giving up or c-betting 2-3BB would both be okay, I think.

Hand 5 I think giving up once the BB calls is fine.

Hand 6 fold pre. This has got to be one of the worst hands in your range to consider c-betting so I think giving up is fine without a specific read that villain folds too much to c-bets.

You are playing OOP too much and giving up too much on flops against fish with wide ranges. It's okay to c-bet "too much" against fish.
Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples) Quote
01-22-2018 , 04:04 PM
Did you just post OOP hands on purpose or is that the common spot where you iso limpers?

The vast majority of spots where you try to iso should be in position. Even if you have a skill edge postflop, playing hands OOP with very marginal holdings isn't a very profitable thing. Especially since lots of weak/passive players limp (close to) their whole range preflop. So you don't even have situations where you might have a range advantage with hands like A9o because your opponents range isn't capped.
Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples) Quote
01-22-2018 , 06:54 PM
I don't is oop as much as I use to and when I do its with a strong range and stupid sizings. (Large)

I'd cbet in most of these cases tho.
Iso raising fish, then giving up (hand examples) Quote

      
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