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01-22-2018 , 09:16 AM
Hi guys. I've been playing poker for a couple of years now and I just lost tonight and I know I made a stupid decision, but I wanted to get to see what you guys were thinking. I have K Q suited and I raised preflop to 25$ and this is a 1/3 no limit at the casino. Only one player called me and which he was a very loose player. called raised with a 6 2 off suit and 9 3 off suit. so I knew what I was up against. he called and the flop came 10 6 K and he checked and I bet $40 and he called.i was a flush draw as well. I put him on a king as well or a flush draw. the turn came another 10 and he bet 30 and I raised to $70. and then he went all in. so now this is a guy the was bluffing and called with stupid hands. he was down $1000 and losing. I noticed he did that all in thing a lot and I was put committed. I called him all in and I got the flush on the river. my all in was about 425. A part of me didn't wanted to call his all in. I figured one king will give me a full house and a Dimond will give me a flush. plus I had top pair with good kicker. and I got the flush and I had him beat until when he turned his pocket 10s. I think I shouldn't have called his all in but if he was a tight player I would have folded but he was a very lose player. I need some input to what I did wrong or what I could have done differently????. THANK YOU
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01-22-2018 , 09:38 AM
You raise 8.3x the BB on an opening raise with KQ suited? You're just bleeding money.
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01-22-2018 , 09:45 AM
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I put him on a king as well or a flush draw
why?
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01-22-2018 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BartendingAA
You raise 8.3x the BB on an opening raise with KQ suited? You're just bleeding money.
If you raise your value hands 8.3x and somebody else calls with 62o, I don't think you are the one bleeding money.

A couple of years ago, $20-30 was a pretty standard open raise in 1/3 games in casinos. That changed because people stopped calling with garbage hands against big raises. But if you have the chance to play in a room where that still works, lucky you.

The main lesson here is that even bad players with a wide range have a hand once in a while. Without a better picture of stacksizes and actual hands/board, it's hard to say if you should have folded somewhere or not.
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01-22-2018 , 12:03 PM
How often are you getting called by worse than KQ when you make it $25 to go on a $3 BB.
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01-22-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BartendingAA
How often are you getting called by worse than KQ when you make it $25 to go on a $3 BB.
OP explicitly stated that the other guy was calling with hands like 62o and 93o. Those hands are worse than KQs in my book.
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01-22-2018 , 12:57 PM
OP said he called raises with those hands, but was the action $25 to go on those hands? That's not clear. If I'm bored I'll put $10-12 bucks in on hand like those, especially if I'm closing preflop action, pot odds might have deemed it necessary in those hands OP was referring to. We don't know the situations.
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01-22-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
If you raise your value hands 8.3x and somebody else calls with 62o, I don't think you are the one bleeding money.

A couple of years ago, $20-30 was a pretty standard open raise in 1/3 games in casinos. That changed because people stopped calling with garbage hands against big raises. But if you have the chance to play in a room where that still works, lucky you.

The main lesson here is that even bad players with a wide range have a hand once in a while. Without a better picture of stacksizes and actual hands/board, it's hard to say if you should have folded somewhere or not.
This.

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OP explicitly stated that the other guy was calling with hands like 62o and 93o. Those hands are worse than KQs in my book.
Because this.

But the real question is why are you raising the turn? He was playing those bad hands but was he bluffing a lot? If he has a T he should be putting it in with you significantly behind. If he has a K he may call, or he may realize you have a strong hand and you lose value. If he’s totally bluffing, why not let him keep bluffing the river?
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01-22-2018 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BartendingAA
OP said he called raises with those hands, but was the action $25 to go on those hands? That's not clear. If I'm bored I'll put $10-12 bucks in on hand like those, especially if I'm closing preflop action, pot odds might have deemed it necessary in those hands OP was referring to. We don't know the situations.
I don't think a big discussion about that is really helpful. So I'll leave it at that: I am pretty sure OP would have said that villain called small raises with junk but folded those hands against big raises. But it doesn't even matter if villain calls big raises with those hands in reality. For the sake of analysis of his play, we just assume he does.
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01-22-2018 , 03:09 PM
OP, your hand history is messy. Best to give positions, stack sizes, exact action, pot size street by street etc. Also don't reveal results since it biases answers.

Turn, not sure I like a raise here, I'd rather keep all his junk in, I don't hate it though. When he ships, I generally fold this hand on a paired board to most players. This guy, I dunno. The small bet followed by a giant re-raise is very strong. Unless I've seen some really spazzy bluffs from him I fold but maybe I'm reacting to the fact I know you lost.

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You raise 8.3x the BB on an opening raise with KQ suited? You're just bleeding money.
Preflop is good as described.
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01-22-2018 , 08:18 PM
hey guys thanks for all the input and advice. I know i played bad and I paid for it. I was shocked when I saw the Quads, I mean as you guys said too tight or loose sometimes you get a very good hand. The thing is the previous hand I went heads up with him and I had the nut flush and he had one pair Q or something and he was calling what ever I was betting.....so the hand right after was the hand that I posted about so I thought he was frustrated too and thats why he was calling again. I think button line I should have folded when I saw two 10s on the board on the turn. again guys thank you for all the replies
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01-22-2018 , 09:02 PM
You can basically check turn to pot-control or other option. If you're not confident with your deep play, you can, uh, buy in short like a rat. Say $180 for 1/3 game and then run if double up.
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01-23-2018 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by narb1988
hey guys thanks for all the input and advice. I know i played bad and I paid for it. I was shocked when I saw the Quads, I mean as you guys said too tight or loose sometimes you get a very good hand. The thing is the previous hand I went heads up with him and I had the nut flush and he had one pair Q or something and he was calling what ever I was betting.....so the hand right after was the hand that I posted about so I thought he was frustrated too and thats why he was calling again. I think button line I should have folded when I saw two 10s on the board on the turn. again guys thank you for all the replies
It will pay off to do some study in positional awareness and bet sizings with respect to stack sizes. Preflop is whatever, live players call with trash so KQs is just straight up value but the turn is very messy. Raising to $70 achieves little to nothing and creates car crashes like the one you got. Also you don't mention position in any of the hand which means you don't consider it. (nobody who considers positions leaves it out)
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