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Old 03-24-2019, 03:23 PM   #1
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I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

Don’t remember the full detail, but please critique my play....

Here’s a summary of my play

1/3 cash game... 240 effective


Villain seems like a TAG player


I am middle position
Hero calls 6 with 2d2s(5 players are in preflop)
Flop 8 10 2 two clubs
Two people bet 15... I raise to 45... one player (Utg + 1) calls ... heads up
Turn is 4 diamonds
Villain checks
I bet 30
Called
Flop is 6 of clubs...
Both check

Villain has flush


I think after the turn I bet way too little... showing a potential flush drawer the river cheaply.... I think I should have bet 90 -100 on the turn so it would be a pot size bet... would doing this have been the optimal strategy?

What about my flop bet? Was raising to 3 bbs a good move...I was mainly betting for value for someone with like ace 10... also inducing flush drawers to call for a bad price

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Old 03-24-2019, 03:44 PM   #2
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Re: I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

You can probably just shove the turn
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Old 03-24-2019, 04:20 PM   #3
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Re: I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

30 in pre, 2 x 15 in on the flop before it’s your turn. If you make it 60 here, the first player is still getting 2:1 on a call. That should be the bare minimum.

If you make it 70 and get one call, you have $185 in the pot and $154 behind and an easy turn shove. As played with the small flop raise, there’s $135 in the pot and $189 behind which isn’t ideal but you can still ship or bet at least $90. Even though we usually don’t want to put in half our stack. That’s why it’s so important to set up stacks with your flop raise.
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:00 PM   #4
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Re: I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

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30 in pre, 2 x 15 in on the flop before it’s your turn. If you make it 60 here, the first player is still getting 2:1 on a call. That should be the bare minimum.

If you make it 70 and get one call, you have $185 in the pot and $154 behind and an easy turn shove. As played with the small flop raise, there’s $135 in the pot and $189 behind which isn’t ideal but you can still ship or bet at least $90. Even though we usually don’t want to put in half our stack. That’s why it’s so important to set up stacks with your flop raise.
How is first player getting 2:1? Isn’t he betting 30 to get 120 if i bet 60? When calculating pot odds , do we also include the previous 15 he bet?
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:29 PM   #5
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Re: I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

My apologies, I worded that poorly.

If you make it 60, there’s $120 in the pot. With “first player” I meant the next player to act after you. Since it went to the flop 5 way and one player bet and another one called, there should be two players left to act before it gets back to the initial raiser. Those two players get 2:1 on a call. If they fold and it’s back to the initial bettor, he’s getting $120/$45 = 2.67:1 on a call. As soon as one player calls the $60, everyone else gets a pretty good price but knows that stacks might go in on the turn.
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:29 PM   #6
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Re: I messed this hand up pretty bad didnít I

So you raised to 45 on the flop, but then only bet 30 on the turn, when the pot is much bigger? Does not compute.
You could bet a smaller percentage of the pot on the turn, but the absolute amount should almost always be bigger.
Shove the turn.
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Old 03-24-2019, 07:21 PM   #7
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So you raised to 45 on the flop, but then only bet 30 on the turn, when the pot is much bigger? Does not compute.
You could bet a smaller percentage of the pot on the turn, but the absolute amount should almost always be bigger.
Shove the turn.
Yup had a brain fart.... i agree I shoulda shoved
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