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10-23-2020 , 06:32 AM
Ok.
I play 52725 hands on 6 max 0.05 zoom.
I lose 188.39$ and its ok i play with large vpip,etc....
When i go to holdem mannager i press quick filter with hands (AA-22,AKs,AKo) then my cwon was 218.47$ and that was drastiqly better BUT in this quick filter i play only 3.699 hands becouse AA-22,AKs,AKo is 7.09% from all hand range.
What bother me is in my ALL PLAYED hands 52725 i played 8700 times in SB and BB and mathematics says 8700x0.07 is -609 dolars .
With quick filter hands a played only around 605 hand so my question is
Yess quivk filter says that i was in + with my money if i played just those hands (7.09%) buy they ont says about all that (8700-605=8095) hands that i loose if i just fold loke KQ or other hand.
So softwer says yess you can make money but all that hands we dont count you will loose it and mathematic says 7.09% hands i won 218.47$ and all fields are green and all is nice and good but you loose 609$ which we dont acount and there is 218-609=-409$
I hope that you understand what i wont to say 🙄
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10-23-2020 , 06:58 AM
Alright this looks more like an encryption problem, but I'll have a go.

-You played 53k hand on 5NLzoom.
-You lost about 38BI's.
-With the range (22+, AK) you won 44BI's and this accounts for 3699 hands.

Okay getting it so far.
-You played 8700 hands in both the SB and the BB.
-And now you are saying that because you are saying that
8700 hands * 7.09% = -609 USD

That can't be right, there is no minus in the equation and you can't go from one unit to another like that.

Like you're basically saying that 12 kg * 7% = 14 hours.

The rest I don't understand.
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10-23-2020 , 09:48 AM
Your comment seems to say, if you filter AA-22, AK, then you have a sample where you are winning.

You then look specifically at SB and BB, and you see that again the filtered sample is winning.

You then claim that, although the software is counting your wins, it is not considering what would happen if you only played that range and folded KQ and all the rest.

Answer to that is:
1) Yes, it is working on what you actually played
2) If you did fold KQ etc, then the software will pick that up and count it (assuming it's decent software)
3) If you want to know the loss rate from folding KQ and the rest, you can calculate it yourself fairly easily. You know how many hands you played in SB and BB that didn't have the range AA-22,AK, and you know how much you lose if you fold.

As an aside, it's quite common to lose in SB and BB positions overall.
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10-23-2020 , 03:47 PM
I am saying that i played 52725 hands with all hands (in sb and bb thars 8700 han).
So i calculate if i only play 7.09% of hands i would be in + like 188 dollars in all positions BUT in sb 0.02 and bb 0.05 if i fold that other 82.01% i would loose in (sb and bb) like 560$ and all in all i would be in minus around 400$.
I hope that someone understand what i try to say here.
Please ��
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10-23-2020 , 03:56 PM
You're trying to figure out how much money you would have lost in the blinds, had you only played premiums and folded the rest?
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05-17-2021 , 11:51 AM
Ok.
I will try explain again.
I only ask for explanation about sb and bb position.
I play now in bb 23915 hands and in sb 23915 hands.
Results are (-851$).
Assume that i played only 15% than i see in pokertracker 4 results for both sb and bb is (+231$) but than if i only play 15% from 23915 hand that is just 3587 hand .
Than 23915-3587 hand is 20.328 hands that i fold and loose money.
(20.328x0.05) + (20.328x0.02) = -1406$ i would loose in folding that 85% hands in blinds.
So i earn 231$ with 15% and loose -1406$ with that 85% folding so that is -1406+231=-1175$ in blinds....
So when i play like i play i loose -851$ but with tighter range (that 15%) i loose -1175$ or maybe i dont understand something here or im just bad in poker overal ��
Please can someone explain,i tried my best to explain this.
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05-17-2021 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kikica654
Ok.
I will try explain again.
I only ask for explanation about sb and bb position.
I play now in bb 23915 hands and in sb 23915 hands.
Results are (-851$).
Assume that i played only 15% than i see in pokertracker 4 results for both sb and bb is (+231$) but than if i only play 15% from 23915 hand that is just 3587 hand .
Than 23915-3587 hand is 20.328 hands that i fold and loose money.
(20.328x0.05) + (20.328x0.02) = -1406$ i would loose in folding that 85% hands in blinds.
So i earn 231$ with 15% and loose -1406$ with that 85% folding so that is -1406+231=-1175$ in blinds....
So when i play like i play i loose -851$ but with tighter range (that 15%) i loose -1175$ or maybe i dont understand something here or im just bad in poker overal ��
Please can someone explain,i tried my best to explain this.
Your looser strategy is better than the tighter strategy you're filtering for. When you look at top 15% of hands only that you played from the blinds you're excluding a lot of hands that do better than folding which are present in your loose strategy. For example BU opens for the minimum, SB folds, you have 97s. Your 15% strategy would certainly fold this hand and lose the value of the blind. However your loose strategy would certainly play this hand and you should lose less than the value of the blind unless you're very poor postflop.

Also, sometimes you get a walk with a weak hand and don't lose your BB. Your calculations assume you always lose the blinds by folding hands outside the 15% range.

It probably is true that you should be folding more hands in the blinds. It's a common leak to defend the blinds too much. However this isn't a good way to analyze alternative strategies.
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05-17-2021 , 06:36 PM
I dont wrotte all of this becouse of some strattegy.
Just wanted to know if i am good understand calculation about sb and bb in pokertracker4.
Again...
If i putt all hands in all positions i am in -260%
But if i only putt that 15% hands in calculations pokertracker will says that i am in +760$ but that is not correct becouse they only calculate that 15% hand in all posittion but not that 85% that i or yiu fold in sb and bb so that is not corect mathematic.
I hope that yiu understand what am i talking about.
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05-17-2021 , 10:31 PM
You don't understand how filters work.

We can barely understand you.
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05-18-2021 , 07:36 AM
It sounds like you expect it to still account for the 85% of hands you play in the small blind?

You've filtered for the top 15% of hands so folding a hand like 72o in the sb won't show up in this because your only having it show top 15%
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