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12-12-2017 , 05:37 PM
Lets assume that you are in a 1/2 cash game every one is stacked fairly evenly about 300.
You get things like 99 AKs, AQs and make it 12 or 15 to go (from early and mid position) and you are getting 2 and 3 callers religiously.
I mean 4 brick flops and good buy 20 to 25% of your stack.
I was in such a situation and had nothing but brick flops and 3rd pair and it was very very frustrating.
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12-12-2017 , 05:42 PM
What exactly is your question? If you should stop raising with hands when you think you won't hit the flop because it's your unlucky day?

If you ask about AKs/AQs/99, you probably already have a very strong opening range. If you stop raising those hands, your range consists of TT+ only and people will notice. Besides that, you're in for a pretty boring evening if you wait for aces.
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12-12-2017 , 05:45 PM
OP, it happens. It's Holdem, not 2-card stud.

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
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12-12-2017 , 06:07 PM
In theory, you keep playing the same since variance 'will return' in your favor. Continue to top off and play 'your game'.

In reality, there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you aren't hitting your cards you need to find a different way to accumulate chips. How about a limp/3-bet here and there? Then you can take down pots without seeing a Flop in some cases. If you do see a Flop it will probably be HU and you still have a decent hand to work with .. just remember that you may be OOP and your opponent called a 3-bet. In other words, start playing poker and not just 'cards'.

Also, how do your opponents know you missed the Flop? Are you checking these Flops, thus surrendering them to the next aggressor? GL
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12-12-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by amarri
I mean 4 brick flops and good buy 20 to 25% of your stack.
you need to change your mindset. Assume every flop is a brick. Most of them will be, so get used to playing with initiative so the other people are trying to hit flops instead of you. Then you will start to hit flops and not even expect it (that's the bonus).
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12-12-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
In theory, you keep playing the same since variance 'will return' in your favor. Continue to top off and play 'your game'.

In reality, there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you aren't hitting your cards you need to find a different way to accumulate chips. How about a limp/3-bet here and there? Then you can take down pots without seeing a Flop in some cases. If you do see a Flop it will probably be HU and you still have a decent hand to work with .. just remember that you may be OOP and your opponent called a 3-bet. In other words, start playing poker and not just 'cards'.

Also, how do your opponents know you missed the Flop? Are you checking these Flops, thus surrendering them to the next aggressor? GL
Thanks for the input guys. I was chalking this up mostly to variance.
I checked most of my bricks. I made a cbet with my 88 and 99 3rd pair only too get raised with another person calling the raise urrrrggggggg.
I was just starting to question if I wasnt raising pre flop enough vs some rather loose players.
The limp 3 bet pre flop tried that once or twice it was like no one wanted to go away all night.
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12-12-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
OP, it happens. It's Holdem, not 2-card stud.

Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.
I hear ya.
One last thing when I was down to like 100 stack I am like 4th to act with JJ
I make it 20 get raised to 40 folds back around to me HU.
I am thinking I know if I go all in my JJ is about 50% to hold up be the river.
Then I think if i just call to look at the flop there goes 60 of my 100.
I was like screw it I am not taking that line.
Went all in ran into KK (yea it happens) but was my thinking ok here ?
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12-12-2017 , 07:00 PM
1. Bet more preflop
2. Find games with less stationy players (might require moving up in stakes)
3. Switch to tournaments
4. Add more speculative hands with good implied odds to your range
5. Switch to chess
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12-13-2017 , 01:32 AM
You should be topping up your stack and not letting it dwindle to $100
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12-13-2017 , 01:33 AM
A-high is not a brick it's 6 outs bro, i'd fire 3 barrels, punish the noobs
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12-13-2017 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
A-high is not a brick it's 6 outs bro, i'd fire 3 barrels, punish the noobs
Ummm how is it 6 outs ? If you have AQs there are 3 aces left.
Also isn't it a cardinal rule of poker NOT to lose your whole stack
with only 1 pair.
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12-13-2017 , 01:24 PM
Your Q outs are probably good as well, amarri. Plus...Ace high is good sometimes.

Firing three barrels doesn't mean you are playing for stacks when all players are "deep". Size up your opponents (and their range). Can they fold?
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12-14-2017 , 06:48 PM
I played in a live game one time where I was getting a lot of suited broadway type hands, medium pairs, AT+, hands like that. I was getting like 7 limpers on average and I was doing all the raising. And we would go like 6 or 7 handed to the flop at a raise of 6x or something. It was like everyone was set mining but it was like they were also straight mining, two pair mining, flush mining, piece mining etc.

When this happens it's almost like a bomb pot except people are allowed to select their hands but those selections are pretty wide. There's so many opponents that people aren't stacking off without nutted type hands.

Even if I had AA and raised preflop to 6x and got 6 callers and the flop comes J96ss, I think you have to check the flop against so many opponents. If you whif with ace king on the same flop you also check against all those opponents. You can even make a case for checking your sets although betting is best but how many times will you flop a set?

Wait, what was the question?
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