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Originally Posted by Syon
Is villain really raising 15% utg 9 handed though?
Arty, I was assuming non ante since it wasn’t in the op. I’m not seeing how a fold pre would be nitty. How is calling with a speculative hand, short stacked, oop vs utg in a 9 handed game not burning chips?
Firstly, I don't consider 28bb particularly short. FWIW, I just ran the spot through Snowie. With no antes, it's a close fold (EV of -0.19bb; JTs is bottom of calling range), but with 12.5% antes it's a clear call pre (EV of +0.16bb, with even 64s being a standard defend).
Antes actually make a big difference, because - particularly in a full ring game - there's a ton of dead money in the pot. If there aren't any antes there's much less reason to get involved.
I should probably point out that in any other position with these stacks, 98s is unplayable. (You can't speculate with that stack size in LP, for example, as you're losing money when someone overcalls or squeezes). It's the just the fact that hero is in the BB and can close the action that makes it potentially +EV.
P.S. I just looked at the post-flop spot in Snowie. The flop is a call, but it's barely better than break-even (+0.08bb). Snowie actually suggests that hands like AJ should check-fold to the pot-sized bet, which echoes the point I was making that a naked flush draw actually does better than one pair in this spot, given the range of villain. AJ has close to zero chance of sucking out vs AA/KK/AK, but 98s has enough equity (and implied odds) to continue vs villain's strong range. If the flush comes in on the turn, you play for stacks, and if it doesn't (and villain keeps betting), you fold and still have about 17bb to play with.
TL;DR Every decision is pretty close, so I wouldn't say I disagree with Kelvis' viewpoint either.