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Old 06-29-2018, 05:05 PM   #1
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How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

Full blown tilt! I have literally come on here to vent because nobody really understands what it's like to be card dead for a good while except fellow players. I know, I know you can take a positive from being card dead after folding 50 hands on the trot makes you look a bit nitty. But when you get aces cracked or worse hitting your set knowing your opponent only hit the ace..... for another bloody ace to come on the turn is just... POKER!!!! lol. So I've decided to stay away from the tables for a few weeks. I'm going to hit the books. Would love to hear from any of you that have been succesful. Obviously this didn't happen over night. I'd love to hear of your journey from where I am now to playing the game to the best you've ever played.
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:11 PM   #2
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Re: How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

I am a bit confused. You talk about being card dead (implying you fold PF a ton) and then you add how aces get cracked and how you lose with a full house ("second Ace hits") with a set.

What makes you think you are not a successful player? What is your poker history?
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:19 PM   #3
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Re: How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

Only really started properly about 6 months ago. Had learnt the rules many years ago and played in the family pub nothing too serious. I understand I probably should've explained I had 5 6 diamonds and this card dead situation has been going on for abut a week. Getting pocket rockets beat sucks in any game. I have been toying with the idea of getting poker tracker but not sure if playing 2 or 3 sngs a night for very low stakes should warrant it. Especially when I struggle with some of the terminology that is used in these forums.
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:30 PM   #4
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Re: How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

Beginners don't make money at online poker. In fact, very few people make money at online poker any more.
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:39 PM   #5
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I have literally come on here to vent because nobody really understands what it's like to be card dead for a good while except fellow players.
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.............. and this card dead situation has been going on for abut a week.
No offense but.....EGADS, I've Been Card Dead For A Week!!!!!!!!!!

(sounds silly now, doesn't it?)
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:44 PM   #6
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Re: How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

Forget about thinking about making money from this game. For money go and do some physical work. a job or business. its good for your health, bank balance and sanity.

Play poker just to make correct decisions and who cares if you win or lose money. solves the problem of tilt immediately. Don't ever cash out. Use your real work (job or business) to pay for your stuff you want. You will appreciate it more.
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:18 PM   #7
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when you getting bad cards its time to get a beer and relax. the money you save by folding bad hands is money won also
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:42 PM   #8
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when you getting bad cards its time to get a beer and relax. the money you save by folding bad hands is money won also
getting bad cards is a time to practice patience and observe opponents.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:17 AM   #9
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^^ last two posts

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I have been toying with the idea of getting poker tracker but not sure if playing 2 or 3 sngs a night for very low stakes should warrant it.
op seems to be relating his online experience, not live? Are we on the same page?
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Old 06-30-2018, 03:19 AM   #10
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Im confushed, does a set and two aces not beat, three aces ? or was his Ace paired?... or are you calling a set, two cards on the flop/turn rather than two in the hand one on the board ?
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:37 PM   #11
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Most hands are garbage. Being 'card dead' is the norm for live poker. Dealing with it properly i.e. folding without getting frustrated is not the norm. And that's how you win at live poker.
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:30 AM   #12
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Re: How does anyone make money on this bloody game!?!?

OP eventually you will totally understand that folding bad or marginal hands most of the time is the BEST move you can make. And being "card dead" is a chronic ( recurring ) condition for all poker players , and there is no cure except quiting the game.
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Old 07-01-2018, 09:48 AM   #13
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You could always play a game other than HE where there's a lot more stuff you can play
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Old 07-01-2018, 10:33 AM   #14
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Most hands are garbage. Being 'card dead' is the norm for live poker. Dealing with it properly i.e. folding without getting frustrated is not the norm. And that's how you win at live poker.
To be fair, if you suffer a bad beat for a lot of chips, then you have to sit waiting around for a decent hand for the next few hours so you can "win back what you lost", that can be tough to take for a lot of players. Especially new players.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:31 PM   #15
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That's why live poker will always be good. People are just terrible at discipline and mental game and they will tilt, that is a guarantee. Online they might also tilt but they can just fast fold 50 hands and play aces which is a lot less difficult than the A4o in MP they get dealt as the best hand in the next orbit in a live game.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:55 PM   #16
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The worst thing isn't being card dead but the entitlement bias that starts building up with it ... i.e. "I should get a run of good cards as compensation" or "now I have aces, so I'm entitled to win this hand 100%". It's hard to wrap one's head around that probabilitie don't work that way. Past hands do not influence future cards.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:27 PM   #17
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To be fair, if you suffer a bad beat for a lot of chips, then you have to sit waiting around for a decent hand for the next few hours so you can "win back what you lost", that can be tough to take for a lot of players. Especially new players.
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That's why live poker will always be good. People are just terrible at discipline and mental game and they will tilt, that is a guarantee. Online they might also tilt but they can just fast fold 50 hands and play aces which is a lot less difficult than the A4o in MP they get dealt as the best hand in the next orbit in a live game.
I often sit with someone at the table who I suspect is as good or better than me at poker but I have an edge over them simply because they tilt after a few hours of typical live 'unfairness'. Luckily there isn't a huge correlation between poker game skills and meta skills IME.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:16 PM   #18
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I often sit with someone at the table who I suspect is as good or better than me at poker but I have an edge over them simply because they tilt after a few hours of typical live 'unfairness'. Luckily there isn't a huge correlation between poker game skills and meta skills IME.
Why not wait for a few hours until they're actually tilting?
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Old 07-02-2018, 04:24 AM   #19
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I don't sit to target them, I just sometimes notice a (usually) younger guy who starts out good and then gets frustrated and spews off his stack.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:39 AM   #20
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Luckily there isn't a huge correlation between poker game skills and meta skills IME.
Randomly just read this...imo such an important point and one that lies at the heart of many a raging online versus live debate in some of the pgc threads. I think it also applies in a similar way to MTT. In case I confused anyone, what I think WB is saying is....

... in a fishy, slow-moving environment

mental strength/focus/discipline/patience >>>>>>> being a GTO endboss.
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:02 AM   #21
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I think it also applies in a similar way to MTT. In case I confused anyone, what I think WB is saying is....

... in a fishy, slow-moving environment

mental strength/focus/discipline/patience >>>>>>> being a GTO endboss.
Yeah, I mean I think it applies to winning at poker in general. But it's particularly noticeable in a low stakes live game because the standard of play required to beat the field for say minimum wage is so much lower than online and in contrast the metagame problems are hugely magnified: excruciatingly slow play, annoying players, ready access to alcohol, ready access to table games etc. The provocations to tilt, get drunk or go play baccarat are more in your face.

Successful online players are generally better at poker than live players and I don't think it's close. But live players bring a wider arsenal of skills to the table.
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:34 AM   #22
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Pretty much word for word agree.

The irony for me is the meta stuff are my relative strengths; technical stuff I'm pretty meh (measured agaisnt a decent reg). Yet despite being rolled, I have no access to live (geography & circumstance) #sadface

So I've gone back to sngs (*sigh*), where the patience/discipline stuff is a stronger component of your win rate (plus ICM is easy to practice ).
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:10 AM   #23
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By playing short handed games, and playing four to eight of them at a time, it is a lot easier to get something playable. Plus I play PLO and you know how it goes, more cards, more chances to win.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:19 PM   #24
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1) Clear your head and dont get frustrated. I can smell your fury in your post lol

2) There will be plenty of times when the game is rigged in your favor.. you will crack plenty of Aces and it'll be so bittersweet. No two cards are a guarantee and thats one thing you have to always be conscious of.

When you start seeing patterns, you'll realize sometimes its more your fault than the cards. For example, I used to ALWAYS slow play any big PP preflop. If I had QQ-KK-AA... no matter what position I was in.. I'd check it down (Like a noob). I always wanted people to bet into me so I can give them a little surprise finisher. 90% of the time I was the one getting the surprise cause I let people into the hand that didn't belong there.

If you started 6 months ago, you've got alot to learn. Its more than just 'what beats what'.. I've been playing for about 12 years and I still am fine-tuning my game. Don't get discouraged... victory feels more sweet when you go through all these bad beats

PS: If you're card dead.. open up more tables! LMAO

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Old 07-06-2018, 04:24 PM   #25
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No such thing as being card dead over the long term.
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