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Old 06-30-2020, 09:01 PM   #1
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How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

Started playing again in march after about 5 years off (I was a break even player at best).
I joined 888 and with the free $8 i have built up a bankroll but i cant help think i'm just running well.
I have tried downloading poker tracker and holdem manager but my laptop is having none of it.
Is there any website that i can see what games i'm doing well at or not.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:03 PM   #2
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Re: How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

started with small buy in tournaments but now mainly sngs with a few tournaments when i have time
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:31 PM   #3
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any player that is a winning player should be able to watch how their opponents play and see that they play better. if you cant you probably dont.
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Old 07-01-2020, 03:05 AM   #4
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Re: How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

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any player that is a winning player should be able to watch how their opponents play and see that they play better. if you cant you probably dont.
I'm not sure how true this is unless you are really good.

I beat lowest levels of zoom on stars, not sure if 16nlz is where I no longer win or I'm just running badly. I think it's really besides the point whether you beat the games or not though unless you play for a living, it's about getting better. Just because I'm not sure I beat 16nlz doesn't mean I'm not going to shot take when it fits whatever BRM I'm using.

Also if I ran good at 16nlz (but was not winning there in reality) and built a roll for 25nlz I'd sit down and play that too.
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:25 AM   #5
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Re: How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

I don't think you need to be 'really' good to recognize whether you are making good poker decisions or not. Unless you never go to Showdown you are getting feedback on your play very often.

It all comes down to whether or not the 'information' you used to make your decisions was 'correct'. Were your betting for value or did you suck out?

Are you folding too often? How often are you good when you call? If you are 'always' good when you call, then you are folding too often.

If you are playing a high variance style, you know if you are drawing out and/or your TPMK 'shove' hands are holding against other draws. Are you generating 'too many' folds from your opponents and possibly missing value due to being predictable?

I don't even think we want to use the word 'good' here ... I think any 'experienced' poker Player really knows how they are playing 'deep down'. It's just a matter of whether they have the discipline to make adjustments to 'better' plays.

Are you playing cards, gambling or 'playing poker'? Card players and gamblers alike need to run good in the long run while poker players can limit losses and embellish gains based on the table dynamic. GL
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Old 07-02-2020, 02:44 PM   #6
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there are always better players than you around. and you had better be able to tell when they are in your game or not. just playing what you think is correctly isnt good enough to beat players that play better than or equal to you. you do have to recognize them and play according to that with them and know what games you can beat or not.
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Old 07-02-2020, 04:47 PM   #7
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If playing poker is you making each decision as optimal as you can how can you know someone is better? You literally can't if it is based on your own skill level. You can think that players are playing well (based on your own context of decision making) and that might be enough to kill the game but that is it. You've all been around long enough to know that stuff people were doing that was thought to be bad now clearly isn't at all.

The idea that getting information on players cards gives you enough to know if they are playing good is laughable in the huge amount of short term bias that would result in (why live players believe mad **** to be true). Not only that though it just isn't true, if someone bluffs a hand you might go lol what an idiot but it may be the nut hand to bluff with in a spot where you don't realise you massively overfold.

The honest answer to this thread is that you don't. You play and get stats and make decisions from that, that is the only way. If you play 100k hands and you are losing at a large clip then you are probably losing, if winning a lot you are probably winning. If break even then you could be winning or losing.

Experience means very little in poker, I'd happily sit down with regs who played millions of hands before black friday at mid stakes but haven't played since despite not having that "experience" and I'm relatively **** in the grand scheme of things.

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Old 07-03-2020, 09:28 AM   #8
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Re: How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

I can identify mistakes that pretty much everyone else in my player pool is making but I'm pretty sure they can identify mistakes I'm making too.
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Old 07-06-2020, 07:47 AM   #9
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The idea that getting information on players cards gives you enough to know if they are playing good is laughable in the huge amount of short term bias that would result in ....

You play and get stats and make decisions from that, that is the only way. If you play 100k hands ....

Experience means very little in poker, ....
1) There are many threads here and within blogs/vlogs that suggest that you probably need to stick to an ABC type of poker (based on your experience against other Players at the same stake) when playing against someone new .. until they 'prove' to you that other strategies are more appropriate/required. How can it be laughable, while I agree it definitely is short term bias, to use the only information available to form an initial opinion?

2) Play and get stats but experience means very little? I don't think we can argue it both ways and not tie the two together. While I strongly believe that a large part of your point is that experience alone doesn't guarantee skill (or judgement of other's skill), I don't think we can deny that experience no matter the skill level offers a better opportunity for evaluation.

Even (experienced) bad Players know the difference between getting hit with the deck and 'running good' calling 3-bets with the 47o. While neither really indicates a skill level, it can certainly start us down a path to our own determination. GL
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Old 07-06-2020, 08:17 AM   #10
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Re: How do I know if i'm playing well or just on a heater

If you play mtt's watch guys like lena900 or C.darwin2 on pokerstars and you will notice they play well and run well a lot of the time.

If you winning 3 flips to win a mtt your running well. If you have 88 against KK all in pre 14bb deep and hit a 8 your running well. If you have ATs and get it all in pre 10BB deep against AK and hit a flush or straight or a T and win the hand your running well.

Even though your behind in reality and run well to win doesn't mean your playing bad. You are playing correct to open shove with 88 10bb deep in MP and end up being against 99 and hit your 8 and win. Playing your 88 that way is playing well.

Some examples of bad play would be open shoving A6o 30BB deep from UTG or worse opening with 63s from utg and calling a 3x 3 bet 25bb deep.

Opening 63s utg 25bb deep is probably bad by itself but calling a 3x 3 bet is worse. These are examples of bad play that sometimes gets rewarded. A 3x 3bet from a opponent who has AKo is probably not the best play either when he should really shove on you.

You don't need tracking software to figure out this stuff out. Maybe for more marginal spots like figuring out if A6 is a chip accumulator from middle position at a 9 handed table. Posters here have said A6o isn't a chip accumulator hand to open and is better folded from their database of hands they have compiled. I think A6o can be a hand you can open with and be used to make chips for future situations against certain opponents. By itself it's probably not this type of hand you should be opening with depending on stack sizes of course.

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