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How to adjust BB calling frequency vs rake & stakes How to adjust BB calling frequency vs rake & stakes

01-07-2019 , 06:42 AM
hi,

Regarding BB preflop call frequencies, I am wondering what the impact of the rake is.

For example, Snowie (http://www.pokersnowie.com/pftapp/#facing_raise) suggests to call more or less :
BB vs UTG : 17%
BB vs MP : 19%
BB vs CO : 19%
BB vs BTN : 25%

But I guess this depends a lot on the rake, and therefore the stakes, given that the rake is usually capped depending on the stakes.

So I guess the calling range from BB should be adjusted depending on the rake.

I'd like to find content about this, but I haven't found any thread or video, or article, or whatever on this subject.

Also, if someone has stats on this subject, I'd be very interested about it.

Thanks
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01-07-2019 , 09:53 AM
Marginal calls become losing ones because of rake so we'd remove those from our range. Which ones specifically in each position? I don't know that myself. I just remove what I think won't work.

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01-07-2019 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by iosman
wow great information totally love it buddy..
Thanks for your input.

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01-07-2019 , 12:49 PM
The free version of Snowie's pre-flop advisor is based on a 100NL or 200NL environment where the rake is about 4%. You should play tighter in the micros, partly because the rake is higher, but also because your opponents will typically be opening with tighter/stronger ranges. e.g. While many regs open over 40% of hands on the button (and Snowie goes with about 39%), the average 2NL player only opens about 25%. It's obviously a mistake to call at pseudo-GTO frequencies against tighter-than-GTO opponents.
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01-07-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
The free version of Snowie's pre-flop advisor is based on a 100NL or 200NL environment where the rake is about 4%. You should play tighter in the micros, partly because the rake is higher, but also because your opponents will typically be opening with tighter/stronger ranges. e.g. While many regs open over 40% of hands on the button (and Snowie goes with about 39%), the average 2NL player only opens about 25%. It's obviously a mistake to call at pseudo-GTO frequencies against tighter-than-GTO opponents.
In high rake games, if people should call tighter vs steal, then we should steal looser, right?

On sites like 888 for example, the rake structure is amazingly different from small stakes to high stakes because the cap limit doesn't change much (https://www.888poker.com/poker-softw...mits-and-rake/) :

Table Limit:5¢/10¢-$1-$2

No. of Players Rake per Pot MAX
2 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $1
3+ 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $4


Table Limit: $2-$4 through $4-$8

No. of Players Rake per Pot MAX
2 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $1
3 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $2.5
4-10 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $4


Table Limit: $5/$10 through $25/$50

No. of Players Rake per Pot MAX
2-3 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $2.5
4-10 1¢ for each 20¢ in Pot $5


Table Limit: $50/$100

No. of Players Rake per Pot MAX
2-10 1¢ for each 100¢ in Pot $10


So I think this would drastically change the steal and defense strategies from 6max NL10 (5% capped at 40bb) to NL200 (5% capped at 2bb) or NL1000 (5% capped at 0.5bb) for example.

Such a change would obviously completely modify the postflop frequencies as well in those spots.
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01-07-2019 , 05:10 PM
If people tighten up too much, then exploitatively you can steal more.
The problem is that if you open with a wider range in a high rake game, good players will 3-bet more often (because they don't want to see a flop) so you lose your open bet more often, and their (tight) calling ranges will mean you lose more when you see the flop.
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05-21-2020 , 11:58 PM
updates on topic ? and or bb/100 rake for pokerstars micros ?
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05-22-2020 , 05:29 PM
As far as I know the rake in the micros hasn't changed much recently. It's still gonna cost you 5-10bb/100 depending on how loose/aggro you are.
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