**If there is any progress at all**

A few days ago i asked for some help and greatly apreciate the feedback.
This time is just, like i dont know.. failed for more than 10th time at 10nlz. I know the problem is in me, but what are the people who are playing 50-100nl doing different than me? I review all big hands of my sessions, i watch training vidoes 2 times a week. Im watching other people giving advices in micros forum section.. I had tilt problems a while back, i feel like i solved them back then. I mean okay, I dont know that much of a theory and GTO stuff. But what else im missing really? Are there any other major problems in my game, I dont think so, except for my 4bet range and flat range has some minor leaks, but im trying to adjust to the situations and the info i got when making my decision, i dont know what else to add.

I will post stats if you see something out of line

I don't go much on this stats stuff mate...ultimately you got to win the big hands and fold the big losers and stats don't really tell you that.

But if this is all Zoom it looks a little nitty.

If it's got reg speed in it, stats are even less relevant, because you should be table selecting and exploiting, so your stats can be all over the place.

Posting hands > posting stats IMO.

Others will disagree.

also...

sorry mate, but you gotta learn this cr@p in 2016 even at 10nlz. Sorry but that's just how it is...and I'm a f***ing dunce, so man up and get yer maths head on.

edit...oops missed this intially.

Leak Alert!

You are way to tight on the co & btn bro (for Zoom)

Your CO range is something like;

66+, A4s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo

Mine is like

22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s, A2o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o

And I consider myself pretty tight.

also be interested in someone with better stats analysis then me commenting on your SB work. IMO the SB is toxic...I 3bet it all the time, and RIO it with the same range as EP, other than that I steer clear of it.
You might be over playing it, but I'm not sure.

100k hands a month even on zoom is ridiculous when you have yet to prove to beat the game. We often complain about sample size but losing after 600k hands while running significantly above EV is a safe bet that you are losing, which you acknowledge.

Try playing 2 to 4 normal tables and really focus. Don't go on autopilot at any point aside from the mucking 83o UTG etc. This might be surprisingly hard actually. If you must play zoom, lower the amount of tables and certainly don't play 100k hands a month while still losing.

When you say "are there any major problems in my game" and then add "I don't think so" while showing a graph of losing after 600k hands then there might be something wrong. I know breaking even at 10NL post rake is actually beating the other players by quite an amount but rake is a factor you cannot eliminate.

Play less hands, figure out why you lost a hand, mark the hand and then see if there are other hands that fit the description. I used to check/fold too many turns when I was the PFR out of position which I noticed because I was getting severely owned in those spots. They quickly piled up and forced me to do something about it. Turns out this minor spot led to me changing my PFR ranges, cbetting ranges and then also balancing my checks more on the turn, it basically changed my overall game due to this "minor issue".

Also learn your game theory. They give you the foundation of your game and is a great way to prevent people owning you when you haven't figured them out yet. It's amazing that after 600k hands you still don't feel that is a priority.

tl;dr: play less hands, find leaks, figure out a way to play better and repeat.

I don't know if this is 6 max or full ring so it is a little hard to judge.

A couple of things stick out regardless. First, there is little difference between EP and MP VPIP. You should be looser in MP. Next, you're playing way too much in the small blind. You need to tighten up your range. My guess is you're too loose in the big blind as well. Finally, you're beating 5nl and losing in 10nl. It suggests along with your last thread that you're making decisions to make the game easier to play, not more profitable. At 5nl, people may be calling your big bets lighter. At 10nl, they're folding more unless they can beat you.

I dont open that light from the CO, cuz very often i got 3bet from SB and BTN, and because BTN and SB/BB tend to be flatting super light. But I will deffinately take it into consederation tho.


Can you elaborate on this part a little bit, or give me a starting point.

It's 6max zoom, yea i will deffinately work what you've adviced me. Also to add that I might be way too loose in SB, because people are folding more than 67% to steal

what the hell is 10nlz, is that z something the kids use to make it seem cool like dragon ball?

It's 6-max, and the opposite is the case.

OP, I haven't seen a breakeven graph quite like that since the legendary fgators gave up poker.

You need to cut way down on the volume, and learn to maximise quality of play, not quantity, because you're literally playing a breakeven style like thousands of other nits in Eastern Europe. Pokerstars loves players like you, because you're just recycling rake like a robot.
If I was going to do a deeper leakfinder, I'd want to see some other stats (Unopened PFR by position, c-bet flop and turn %, Won When Saw Flop Rating, river call effiency), but the first number that really grabbed my attention was your VPIP in the BB. You should be playing anything up to 40% of your big blinds in 6-max games, but I presume you're one of those mass-tablers that hits the "fast fold to any raise" button. Even as a nit, your VPIP in the BB should be at least as high as it is for the CO. You may as well change your screenname to "Please steal my blinds, because I hate playing post-flop". :/

Your pre-flop stats for UTG-BTN look pretty good tbh. You're just terrible in the big blind, like most micro players.

I'd suggest you go and buy Matt Janda's book, so you have a better idea of just how much you're being exploited, and what you need to do about it. If you have access to some videos on playing the blinds, those would help too. It's rare that I say this in BQ, but you've got to stop folding pre-flop.

z for zoom, it is even cooler than dragon ball.

Yu-gi-oh is cooler than dragon ballZ. Zoom is not.

Thanks for posting the additional stats. I really don't feel like a doing a detailed database review, so just some pointers for now.
The UO PFR numbers (also known as RFI or Raise First In) look fine as expected. Opening 14, 16, 26, 46 and 50% UTG-SB is standard TAG, and you're getting decent results when you open, especially OTB.
You probably have the common problem of not doing so well when you're OOP and get flatted by CO/BTN, but it would take a lot of filtering and hand reviews to find out exactly what's not working well. (You might be c-betting and quitting too much, or not check-calling or check-raising often enough).

The "fold BB to steal" of 80% is exactly what I was talking about earlier. You know that you are making money by stealing blinds, because your opponents aren't defending, but then you let them get the money back by letting them steal your blinds, so it's hardly a surprise that you break even. Vs a 3x open, I'd defend with something like the CO range Fatboy mentioned, but vs 2x or 2.5x, I go much wider. (I often find myself seeing a flop with Q3s or 62s, and it's surprising how often I win!)
My concern with recommending you defend more BBs is that your WWSF Rating is currently <1. This basically means you're not winning your "fair share" of pots, post-flop. i.e. you don't have a post-flop skill edge. You can beat 2NL/5NL fish by just playing tight and being value-heavy, but the nitty ABC style won't work so well at 10NLz. You've got to look for spots to steal pots with semi-bluffs. You need to learn some "moves" that will also help with your redline, such as check-raising the flop or turn with draws, instead of just sets and straights.
Post-flop play is complicated, so you really need to cut back on the multitabling so that you have more time to think about when to make such moves, based on ranges and tendencies. You can't rely on just making hands and betting for value, because there aren't enough droolers to pay you off, and the regs that have tons of stats on you will have pretty good reads on you if you're very straightforward. Basically, you need some balance, and the Janda book will help you to think in those terms.

I would recommend you gradually widen your BB defending range (play more suited connectors and suited gappers), and then look for spots to check-raise the flop instead of check-folding or check-calling. Very few players in the micros check-raise bluff anywhere near as often as they should, and they are missing a ton of good opportunities to do so, because of the players that still c-bet with air way too often. Good luck!

some albert einstein quote applies here expect different results something something

seems like you think of poker as some formulaic thing that you do, pull some lever and money comes out and whatever you're doing now is not making money come out.

do it the old fashioned way:
- move down to a stakes you know you can beat. you must know why you're beating that stake and what you do that other people aren't doing is causing you to beat that stake.
- cut down on the number of tables so you can pay attention to the hands being played.
- preferably don't play zoom - zoom is for winning players looking to increase their $/hour at a cost to their bb/100 - and is much about exploiting population tendencies whereas you probably have trouble identifying tendencies of the same player sitting across from you for hours
- post hand histories of when you're in unfamiliar situations. this is why it's important you're playing a stakes you know you can beat, so that you don't go "what do I do here, what do I do here? etc"

such a fantastic post!!!

@tilt ninja ^^ Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results (definition of insanity).

Others have given you really good advice, but just wade in with a bit more.

There are definite clues as to why it ain't happening for you....

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By ignoring theory stuff, you are missing out on understanding defending frequencies, which means you are getting your arse kicked by the three bettors. Instead of playing back, you then give up value from CO/BTN where most of your profit is coming from.

For example, if I defend about half my CO range against a typical 10nlz loose 3 bettor, I'm in good shape equity wise and mostly I'm IP. Now I can shape my range/defence choosing which hands to call and which to 4bet depending on playability and factors like blockers.

I learnt this stuff (and frankly I'm still learning it) from the Janda book - which is far from perfect, but it gets you thinking about frequencies and that will open your eyes to a whole ton of other stuff.

Your FTS numbers are atrocious. You're too tight also. 4bet numbers are too low. You have no 4b bluffs? 3bet in blinds is way too low.

You play too much. Stop grinding mindlessly. 600k hands playing this style and these results? At what point do you expect things to magically improve? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

You need to learn to play looser and more aggressively. This is all just looking at your preflop stuff. Usually if you havd that many leaks preflop, you're going to have even more postflop leaks.

Stop playing. You won't make money. More work off tables is needed.

I can't really add anything significant to this thread a lot of good advice has been given already...

I would say focus on exploiting villain's instead of trying to play a fit-or-fold tight style and literally not/never playing back at them, i mean playing that way is so easy to exploit/play versus now a days online.

You are just giving villain's very EASY opportunities to exploit you in a lot of spots with the way you are playing now. I'm not saying start to play unexploitable/balance all that fancy sht, but play back more and come up with a +EV strat for each spot.

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Lastly, try to play "good" sessions like A-Game seshes, quality > quantity. In live poker you aren't dealt that many hands per hour and with that it gets you more focused on each hand, slow down a bit with your tables and think things through.