Ive always had a lag style, believed myself to be a good hand reader, and my main concern wasnt my own cards.

Me playing tight would be me playin the top of my range, but from any position and coldcalling 3betting from any postion.

Ive read hundreds of posts where Ive seen people just right Fold pre, at the time I thought this was a troll, like OP would of been coolered to **** and someones just like should of folded pre like should of folded knowing you would of got 1 outered at the river when you flopped the nuts.

Its only been recently when Ive realised Im probably not a lag more an agrofish lol and where im playing 10nl and below lag style probably isnt the way forward, and ive been changin my game up and working on the blue line not the red.

And the first adjustment I have made is pay way more attention to my hud and concentrate on player type, and following that my preflop game and ive only just now realised how bad it was, and how these guys where not trolling they where being serious, KJo should of been folded preflop to the nit UTG with a pf of 8 and a maniac on the BTN still to act behind you etc. before Id think why would i fold when i can flop the nuts Q109 or trips etc but theres so many unprofitable flops for u when ur oop or just vs someone with a nut range.

Ive started to massively tighten up in EP and taken different lines in position like say weaker broadways like Q10 or J9 i might 3bet to isolate against original raiser so if i do flop top pair its more likely im ahead rather than multiway where im likely dominated. And also the times when i CB and they fold, like 3bettin suited connectors I can Ueither flop big or take it down alot with a CB.

Out the blinds Im more likely to 3bet hands like AJ, AQ 99s+ etc just so i can take it down pre and not have to play a pot OOP and if i do my hands are strong anyway.

My question is im kinda getting confused when to just cold call? Im finding it hard to sort out my cold calling range mainly because of what i said about 3betting? at the moment its like hands that are strong but im facing an EP raise from someone with a nitty range like an 11/8 raising i might flat AQ etc. I will also flat a lot of hands vs a fish for obvious reasons, however other than that im unsure?

Im also calling quite a bit out the blinds with most suited connectors broadways etc just because im the most pot commited then anywhere else not bad hands but im unsure what i should be calling with out of the BB aswell really

If you never cold call you’re not making a huge mistake. Obv there’s specific players where cold calling 3! can be profitable but in general most hands that you can cold call with you should cold 4! with. Everything else just fold.

Thanks for you’re response did you mean hands they I cold call I should be cold callin 4 people with? Also how about the blinds? Should our calling range be slightly wider because of better pot odds?

Did you ever do the math on that?

Just to visualize for yourself how much better your pot odds get if you call 1BB from the big blind against a 2BB button open and how much better that get if you call 8BB from the big blind against an 3BB MP open and 9BB button 3bet?

I wasn’t talkin about 3bets, I’m more talkin about callin with hands as weak as like suited gappers and maybe bad broadways from Sb like KJo Q10o vs a 2 or 3bb open

The BB is a position where you should be calling a LOT, but in MP-BTN, you should more often be folding or 3-betting. There are, however, some hands that simply do better as flats, because they are "too bad" to raise for value (and don't play particularly well in 3-bet pots), but "too good" to be used as bluffs (i.e. that have to fold to 4-bets). Specifically, I'm thinking of mid-strength hands that play well (or flop well) in single-raised pots. The obvious examples are 99-77, AJs/ATs, QJs, JTs. A lot of regs are 3-betting all those hands in position (and hardly ever calling), but I still think 99 or JTs on the button usually do slightly better as calls.
When building a 3-bet in position range, you want to have an easy decision if villain 4-bets, so you should be quite polarized. If you 3-bet 88 and get 4-bet you imediately think "Why didn't I flat? I could have set-mined and cracked his aces, but now I have to fold and it's cost me 10bb and I didn't even see a flop."
Cliffs: Cold call in position with a few pairs and suited Broadways (maybe AQo too) that do well against villain's opening range, but that do badly against his 4-bet range. 3-bet with value hands and combos that don't make money as calls. FWIW, most of the offsuit hands should just be folds, because they are crap as calls and they are pretty horrendous to play if you 3-bet and villain calls.

nice one great response cheers

I quoted your response to a posting that was about 3bets though.

To make sure we are talking about the same thing: A 'cold call' is when there was a bet from player A, and a raise from player B and now player C calls that raise. In NLHE, player A is the big blind and player B is the first person to voluntarily enter the pot with a raise. So if you are in the BB, one player raises and everyone else folds to you in the BB, you are technically not 'cold calling' because you have money in the pot already.

How much you should call raises from MP and CO is highly dependent on the players behind you who have position on you post flop. In most low stakes live games, you can call a ton profitably from middle position because people behind you won't raise anything but QQ+ anyway. In an online game with lots of 3bets/squeezes from guys IP, you should either fold or 3bet a lot of those hands.

ty for response
No mate the bit you quoted I said also what about the blinds...

So on a softer table where the players behind you have got a low 3b% you can call a bit wider? in the Middle postions?

If you assume that you won't call a 3bet (so no min3bets or 2 callers ahead of you to give you super good odds) you can do the math to see how often you get to see the flop.

Not totally accurate, but as a decent enough estimation, if you are in MP and the 4 guys behind you (CO, BU, SB, BB) left to act each 3bet for example 5%, the odds of any of them 3betting is 0.95 * 0.95 * 0.95 * 0.95 = 0.8145 which means you are going to see the flop 82% of the time. If each of them 3bets 10%, you end up at 66%. That's a huge difference and means you have to be significantly more profitable postflop in the second example.

In my experience when you're in position the vast majority of your cold call profits will come from middle pairs. So I'd start with them and then add a few of the better broadways such as AJs, AQo etc but I wouldn't go much wider than that as you're likely to get squeezed a fair bit or end up in multiway pots with hands that'll be tricky to play.

Shouldn’t smaller pairs 22-66 also good for calling especially in late position?

before you get too carried away with "hand reading" at small stakes i'd consider this hand:

60nl 130bb deep

villain opens CO 3bb hero calls from bb with 66 see flop heads up
pot 4.10$
flop
kq6
hero checks, villain checks

turn
kq65
hero pots, villain calls
pot is 12.30$

river
kq657
hero bets 9$ villain raises to 30$

what do you put him on here? does he REALLY have 89? it looks like a missed draw, do you hero call with, say, Kx, Qx, Ace high?

It used to be the case that set-mining all pairs was fine, and it still should be in the softest games, vs players that will pay off your sets if they have TPTK or an overpair.
In tougher games (which these days might include 5NL zoom, which is quite nitty), the smallest pairs are breakeven at best. I routinely fold 55-22 in MP-SB when facing a raise. (I'll always call a single raise in the BB though, getting a better price and closing the action).

I guess vs a tight player bottom of our calling range should 65? However vs a looser player likely/known to bluff missed draws we can all Kx+