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10-06-2017 , 01:54 AM
Hey guys.
Just curious to see if I could have played this any better. Could I got more value than I did?

The reason I checked the flop was because I would probably do the same with AK there multiway also.

Thanks in advance.


    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37842863

    BTN: $24.68 (98.7 bb)
    SB: $56.71 (226.8 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG: $29.33 (117.3 bb)
    Hero (MP): $17.77 (71.1 bb)
    CO: $52.42 (209.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
    UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, CO calls $2.25, BTN calls $2.25, SB calls $2.15, BB folds, UTG calls $1.75

    Flop: ($11.50) 6 8 J (5 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($11.50) 8 (5 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3.75, CO folds, BTN calls $3.75, 2 folds

    River: ($19) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $11.77 and is all-in, BTN folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $19 pot ($0.86 rake)
    Final Board: 6 8 J 8 6
    BTN mucked and lost (-$6 net)
    Hero mucked J J and won $18.14 ($12.14 net)



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    10-06-2017 , 01:57 AM
    Reads on any of the callers?
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    10-06-2017 , 02:02 AM
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    Originally Posted by King Spew
    Reads on any of the callers?
    Not really mate. This was about 20 minutes into my session and ZOOM makes it even more difficult to do so.
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    10-06-2017 , 03:14 AM
    With only around $15 left to bet and an $11 pot I'm just leading this against so many callers, half pot looks nice, it's fairly likely that someone has a lower set, two pair or an open ender that'll play with you, the flop is such that it could hit a typical caller's range. It's not like it's J62 rainbow
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    10-06-2017 , 03:22 AM
    It's 25nlz and you have 71bb on the table. First thing you should know is you will be insta marked and played as fish by experienced zoomers. You need to buy in full and use auto top up.

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    The reason I checked the flop was because I would probably do the same with AK there multiway also.
    This is wrong on many levels. Mainly because it is 5 way to the flop and trying to balance your combos in a 5 way pot is just nuts. But it is wrong for other reasons as well.

    You have the nuts on a five way dry flop. It doesn't get any better, bet flop ainec. Reasons for betting flop...villains more likely to call on flop than turn and even though the flop is pretty dry giving free cards to five players, not great...a small flop bet is just such an easy play.

    You can bet quite small on flop and turn because it is so easy to get the money in if you get callers, since the flop pot is so large. If you want you can miss a street (turn) for the same reason.

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    Not really mate. This was about 20 minutes into my session and ZOOM makes it even more difficult to do so.
    Most of your reads at zoom will come from stack sizes (btn is a fish), table counts, bet sizing & population reads. most of the time all your HUD is doing is providing secondary or confirmatory data.

    This really needs to be said...unless you have money to burn, you need to move down.

    Last edited by Fatboy54; 10-06-2017 at 03:30 AM.
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    10-06-2017 , 06:26 AM
    with spr around 1,5 and top set, im pretty much never betting the flop. I think that this was played fine.
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    10-06-2017 , 06:34 AM
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    with spr around 1,5 and top set, im pretty much never betting the flop. I think that this was played fine.
    yeah cuz to bet flop or not bet flop is easiest the most important point for op.

    BQ, what you gonna do?
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    10-06-2017 , 07:24 AM
    I realise that his reasons for not betting might be wrong, just saying that I agree with the way this hand was played
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    10-06-2017 , 07:37 AM
    I'm betting otf. Your rarely going to induce 4 folds with a reasonable flop bet. As a very general rule only slowplay if your confident your opponent[s] can easily catch up to a strong hand that is still 2nd best to yours. In this spot you basically don't have a clue what at least some of the callers have but you have the nuts so bet.
    Obviously it's dependent on runout but you'v more chance of stacking an opponent if the bets are spread over 3 streets, rather than 2 with a big river shove [i.e villain commits a smaller portion of his stack over two streets and feels pot committed with a great price otr]. It's highely likely BTN had 10s/99s in this spot.
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    10-06-2017 , 08:41 AM
    Like others have said, I'd bet the flop, since there are so many people in the hand. You played it fine though. You got a big hand and let them catch up.
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    10-06-2017 , 11:23 AM
    I would flat pre, but 3-betting is also viable. Post-flop, you can use any line that doesn't involve folding. i.e. Check-call, check-raise, or c-bet flop are all viable lines. When the flop checks through, you can also check the turn, but betting is fine.
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    10-06-2017 , 11:37 AM
    Hero has an odd stack and is unknown to the other players, so they probably think he's very recreational. I bet something like $2-3 on the flop to make me look even more suspicious and set up two more really small bets to get all-in by the river.
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    10-06-2017 , 12:09 PM
    Thanks for all the advice guys. Appreciated.
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    10-06-2017 , 01:20 PM
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    Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
    I would flat pre, but 3-betting is also viable. Post-flop, you can use any line that doesn't involve folding. i.e. Check-call, check-raise, or c-bet flop are all viable lines. When the flop checks through, you can also check the turn, but betting is fine.
    flat is a decent option vs reg, but vs fish minraising we should explo 3bet jacks 100% here
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