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06-17-2019 , 03:21 AM
This hand has caused a lot of debate among fish within the community.

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Action starts off 7 handed at a $1/2 live cash game.

OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN: Raises to $11 UTG + 2

UTG + 3 flats, along with button

FRIEND (SB): 3-bet to $38 with Q Q

OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN: Calls $38, along with UTG +3, button folds.

FLOP: 10 2 7

FRIEND: C-Bets $50

UTG+2 & 3 both flat

TURN: 8

FRIEND: Bets $110

OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN: Calls $110, UTG+3 folds

RIVER: 9

FRIEND: Checks

OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN: Puts FRIEND all-in for his remaining $110, (pot was $500~ prior to the all-in).

FRIEND: Folds

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(Live Reads: OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN is a very average player)

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I will reveal what OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN: had after 5 comments.

Last edited by myfriendsanit; 06-17-2019 at 03:47 AM.
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06-17-2019 , 04:39 AM
Hand was badly played. Stacks are roughly $440 effective although not directly stated.

3bet to ~$60. $380 behind. 2 calls + fold make it $190 in the pot. Make it $125 OTF, shove turn.
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06-17-2019 , 05:00 AM
Stacks appear to be about $310
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06-17-2019 , 05:07 AM
Yeah I hate trying to backtrack, another reason people need to state this stuff.

OK they're less than I thought, hand is played even worse than I said.
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06-17-2019 , 05:35 AM
Actually as played, the pot is $264 with $220 behind on the turn. What is the reasoning behind not shoving? Also what is with the way too small 3bet? And as played, why bet <45% pot out of position against bad players on a drawy flop?

edit: Oh and yes OP I understand nobody is answering your actual question, but the answer is mostly irrelevant because every step leading up to it has been misplayed. It would be like setting your house on fire and then asking if you should turn off the washing machine to save electricity.
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06-17-2019 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by myfriendsanit
(Live Reads: OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN is a very average player)
Does that mean he’s the best player at the table?

There are 3 ways to play that hand. One is to bet significantly larger preflop and on the flop and shove the turn. The second one is to keep the pot small postflop OOP and benefit from a population read that you won’t get raised by worse anyway. The third way is the one your friend picked. At least one of the 3 options is really bad.
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06-17-2019 , 11:02 PM
OVERWEIGHT MIDDLE AGED MAN turns over 4 5 for a missed flush draw.

Despite the hand being played incorrectly, I told him that he should snap call the river due to pot odds (110 to win 720?~) and he said he would fold 100% of the time because he's never bluffing there?

Imo any 1 pair hands or missed draws shove the river there.
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06-18-2019 , 12:06 AM
Are you the overweight middle aged man?

1000% a call
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06-18-2019 , 04:38 PM
Hand played like a typical AK/AQ whiff ... MAM did what he had to do to win the pot .. shove .. I would as well, even with $60 behind.

Friend is basically calling 100 to win 600 (15%) ... now flip it to MAM's POV and he only needs one fold in 6 tries to break even by shoving.

This is a classic 1/2 weak/passive (gonna be) losing Player's line. He think's that next time he'll play (trap with) AA the same way and be ready for the coo-coo nest when 9Ts is turned over. GL

Send him some PHell tapes from the past for reinforcement.
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06-18-2019 , 06:20 PM
Grunch.

Good fold.

Pre: raise is too small. With at least 55-70. Flop again bet size too small to keep A 10 and flush draws.turn probably check to not beat the pot based on the poor bet sizing. River fold to any rec
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06-19-2019 , 07:46 AM
AS Played what are you putting him on
With the pre flop action and then the action on the flop considered

I would have been putting him on 88 99 A10 AKs

Calling a 38 3 bet pre flop with 54s causes me to make a mental note
that this guy is a VERY Bad player.
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06-19-2019 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Oh and yes OP I understand nobody is answering your actual question, but the answer is mostly irrelevant because every step leading up to it has been misplayed. It would be like setting your house on fire and then asking if you should turn off the washing machine to save electricity.
This is gold

But to answer the question, yes call 100%

If those stacks are even remotely accurate, he rarely needs to ever be right. This isn't a time to play the princess bride poison in the cup game, you make a simple mathematical calculation.

But on a more important note, where do you guys play and are you williing to up the stakes?
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06-20-2019 , 04:01 AM
sydney australia he goes by the alias fantasylane
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