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09-06-2017 , 12:04 AM

extacy

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ggnetwork forbid any third party hud tools, it will lock players' account and confiscate their money on tables, dose it has the right to do such things?

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09-06-2017 , 12:07 AM

otatop

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Of course they do.

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09-06-2017 , 12:14 AM

King Spew

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yes, of course

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09-06-2017 , 12:16 AM

extacy

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Originally Posted by otatop

Of course they do.

then, how do we players have ways to know their integrity? if No data to inspect their dealing system and actual rake rate.

Any info displayed on table, user has rights to collect and use right?

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09-06-2017 , 01:34 AM

King Spew

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Originally Posted by extacy

then, how do we players have ways to know their integrity? if No data to inspect their dealing system and actual rake rate.

Entirely different question. Faith. Trust. (BTW, good luck with that)

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Originally Posted by extacy

Any info displayed on table, user has rights to collect and use right?

Of course you can collect and use. Take good notes.

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09-06-2017 , 03:31 AM

sixfour

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Originally Posted by extacy

then, how do we players have ways to know their integrity? if No data to inspect their dealing system and actual rake rate.

Any info displayed on table, user has rights to collect and use right?

There is a difference between using a database to be able to track your results and analyse your opponents, perhaps even to find opponents who may collude/cheat, and having the results of your database tell you your opponent's inside leg measurement in real time while you're playing. If you don't like being able to have the latter and can't trust the site, play somewhere else.

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09-06-2017 , 06:40 AM

Fatboy54

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Any company selling any product or service (in most parts of the world) has the right to demand any terms and conditions it wants.

You have the right to shop elsewhere.

/thread

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09-07-2017 , 12:04 AM

browni3141

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Originally Posted by Fatboy54

Any company selling any product or service (in most parts of the world) has the right to demand any terms and conditions it wants.

You have the right to shop elsewhere.

/thread

The US has laws protecting consumers. I'd be surprised if "most parts of the world" didn't do this to some extent, although I admit I really don't know.

Restricting use of HUDs and restricting use of the service for those that do is perfectly acceptable. Confiscating someone's funds is not. They do not have the right to do that, unless by "right" you mean they can do whatever they want with your money and you have little recourse, if any.

Something like this would never stand in a regulated market in the US.

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09-07-2017 , 10:26 AM

au4all

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Originally Posted by browni3141

The US has laws protecting consumers. I'd be surprised if "most parts of the world" didn't do this to some extent, although I admit I really don't know.

Restricting use of HUDs and restricting use of the service for those that do is perfectly acceptable. Confiscating someone's funds is not. They do not have the right to do that, unless by "right" you mean they can do whatever they want with your money and you have little recourse, if any.

Something like this would never stand in a regulated market in the US.

I disagree with you.

The companies are upfront about it. From the Pokerstars New Jersey terms of service.

10.4A User may only have one Gaming Account with the Site and shall only use the Service using such single Gaming Account. It is prohibited for a User to open multiple accounts with the Site. In the event that Provider becomes aware of additional accounts opened by a User on the Site, Provider may close such additional accounts without notice and may confiscate funds held in such additional accounts.

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09-07-2017 , 10:47 AM

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madlex

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Something like this would never stand in a regulated market in the US.

If you are caught cheating in a poker game at a regulated casino, you certainly face the possibility of having your chips confiscated and used to reimburse your "victims".

If the use of a HUD is considered to be cheating, I don't see why those funds couldn't be confiscated to reimburse the "victims" in a regulated market in the US?

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09-07-2017 , 11:57 AM

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browni3141

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Originally Posted by madlex

Your chips perhaps, but not the money in your wallet, or even money you hold in an account at the casino.

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09-07-2017 , 12:11 PM

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madlex

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Your chips perhaps, but not the money in your wallet, or even money you hold in an account at the casino.

That's not what happend in the Phil Ivey vs. Corckfords Casino case.

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09-07-2017 , 12:35 PM

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Kurn, son of Mogh

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Originally Posted by browni3141

The US has laws protecting consumers. I'd be surprised if "most parts of the world" didn't do this to some extent, although I admit I really don't know.

Restricting use of HUDs and restricting use of the service for those that do is perfectly acceptable. Confiscating someone's funds is not. They do not have the right to do that, unless by "right" you mean they can do whatever they want with your money and you have little recourse, if any.

Something like this would never stand in a regulated market in the US.

re: the bolded - US consumer protection laws absolutely do NOT protect you when you violate previously agreed to terms and conditions.

That's why the T&Cs are there - to protect the business.

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