OK, so I´ve restarted Poker after 2 successless tries in the past! Basically I´m doing fine, but my EV-Graph is BE! How much do u guys care about EV! I´m playin mainly the 15$ Hyperturbos!

EV graph is way more import than the actual results graph. You just strip a whole layer of luck from your results that doesn't need to be there. The EV graph shows exactly what result you should have given the hands you get it all in with, without the element of chance of actually running the cards so it's a better indication by any measure. Of course what hands you get dealt is still luck but at least your results will be more reliable to use for measuring your (negative) edge.

Regardless of which one you use, determine beforehand what graph you choose to make a conclusion about a sample. You can't cherry pick the optimistic line after you've played 1000 tourneys.

One is slightly +EV (EV-Graph) and one is huge +EV (Winnings) over 2k Tournies! I´m just effected by my EV-Graph!

I still feel like there is at least the same luck involved! Cracking Aces vs Kings will let u run way above EV! Getting KK under AA and not the other way round is just the same bad luck as loosing a Coinflip!

Thx for u´r answer though! Rly concerned about this!

There is not even close to the same luck involved. If you notice your EV line has way smaller deviations per tourney/hand because the results of EV graphs range from 0% to 100% with 50% being average (so the line doesn't move at all). Compare that to the profit line which is basically win 100% or lose 100% of the money. So it's a much smoother line compared to the step functions of the profit line.

Seems that you're running way over EV, but that doesn't necessarily mean your EV line is more correct in this case. You might just be getting coolered every time and suck out. But it's much more likely that the EV line represents your true expectations.

Again, you need to decide which one to use before you judge a sample of tournaments because else you're already biased by the results. Only when you determine which benchmark you'll use before the fact can you use statistics on it that actually have value. By all means the EV line is a much better representation, so use that one in the future.

If I were to pick one I´d always pick the winnings! I usually care about both though, what´s the reason I´m tilting if I´m losing money and if I´m losing EV!

If there is luck involved in both, and I guess we do agree on that, the one with more coinflips or luck events will reach a sample size way earlier!

Basically you can lose EV and/or Winnings whilst doing everything right!

You´re posts are very appreciated though! And of course I don´t wanna argue that I´m running hot!

Less luck is involved in ev line. EV line is basically the normal line with some elements of luck reduced/minimized. Long-term, ev line is more reflective of your actual expectation in the games.

So really, if you're considering playing poker as a serious form of moneymaking, you should consider your ev line much more than your actual winnings as your ev line is more reflective of how you can expect to do.

That said, there is still a good deal of ev variance especially in small and medium samples.

ok thx! So how much Hyperturbos would I have to play for the Graph to be somewhat meaningful?

Yes, but I feel like you´re looking for a way to justify why your EV winnings aren't as good. EV winnings are more important than actual results, so if I had to look at your sample I would always conclude you are probably breakeven/slightly winning instead of the actual profits you have.

Few thousands. Some people run bad over like 3k+ and lose money while they are winning players. But it depends a lot on the edge you have. Against the worst players it is tough to lose money over 500 games.

Actually I know I can´t keep my actual ROI, or yesterdays ROI (ran below EV in the meantime^^ Even so Ìve gained EV-Line! )! Was hoping it´s not just as break even as the EV-Line!

Ofc if u start out after 8 years break to non-Tilt-Poker there´s always room to improve! Having said that I should use ICMIZER more often.

Thx for you´re answers!

Depends on what’s important to you. Being a good player or winning money?

Over a multi year sample of playing full ring NL, I ran over 100 stacks above EV. Looking back, I am very happy that I was a bad player who got very lucky instead of a good player who lost money due to running bad.

I actually prefer to not look at the EV-graph as it makes me feel bad the majority of time. If i run above i feel like getting something undeserved and when running below i fell like not getting my fair share.

Stated this already!

My EV-Graph is doin awesome meanwhile!

My Winnings dropped to below my EV-Line at one moment, so every1 arguing for EV-Line was right most likely!