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Old 01-14-2020, 07:50 PM   #1
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Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

Hello Guys,

I know that It sounds like a very open question but I would like to know what are the changes that we should make on our 3bet calling range on the micros given that the pool 3bets only 7%.

On the videos that I watched for standard defense on RIO and Upswing it looks like the number should be on the ball park of 50%, however I think that this number is way too low for the micros.

I am considering a good number to be 60 - 65%, what are your toughs on this?

PS: ESL here so sorry for my bad English

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Old 01-15-2020, 12:55 AM   #2
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

1. Download Equilab (it's free)
2. Construct your pre-flop raising range for your position
3. Construct villain's 3bet range
4. Construct your 3bet response range
5. ???
6. Profit
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:56 AM   #3
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

Yes 60-65% fold is fine vs passive players. Check your poll's fold to 4 bet as well and utilize 4 betting bluffs if appropriate
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Old 01-15-2020, 01:52 PM   #4
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

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I am considering a good number to be 60 - 65%, what are your toughs on this?
I think that's about right. For a while my 'fold to 3-bet' was 55% in the micros (my continuance range contained some 4-bet bluffs), but my results got slightly better when I folded more often.
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Old 01-15-2020, 02:36 PM   #5
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

@ArtyMcFly, are you talking about the Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise stat right? (Not the fold PF to 3bet)
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:38 PM   #6
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

I'm strictly referring to pots where I opened and faced a 3-bet. In those spots, I think folding about 60% of the time is about right for microstakes.
For some reason, Pokertracker has weird stats in the main positional report, that apparently even count as a "fold to 3-bet" if you're in the BTN/SB/BB and the action hasn't even reached you (but someone has made a 3-bet), but I use HEM, which has a stat called "Vs 3-bet fold" which is accurate.

These were my numbers for my last significant sample (micro zoom 6-max):
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:44 PM   #7
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

Ok, thank you ArtyMcFly!

Yes, it is weird and confusing these two pokertracker stats
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Old 06-14-2021, 06:54 AM   #8
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

I will hijack this thread real quick for a question.
I have seen that my fold to 3bet is super high, its above 75% with 24% Vpip.
After reading abit about an optimal fold percentage I noticed that the stat also includes hands where a 3bet occured before you had any action in the hand.
If you people or in general people talk about "fold to 3bet" do they mean "Fold to 3bet after raise"?
Because that stat is only 49% and I feel like that reflects how I play way more.
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:44 AM   #9
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

interesting. i have the same stats on these.
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Old 06-14-2021, 11:19 AM   #10
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Re: Fold to PF 3Bet After Raise

What software do you use ?
I use Pokertracker4
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