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Dont Bite My Head Off, SB why not raise just tight even as a steal? Dont Bite My Head Off, SB why not raise just tight even as a steal?

07-22-2019 , 06:09 PM
i been thinking about it for awhile (mainly as broke busto cant play for awhile at all fortnight )
anyway i remember when i first started playing couple years ago (games played little different then) but i used to open any 2 button and alot cutoff tight early and middle and tight small blind, this sort of just happened naturally through trial and error and thinking (basically had another playing experience playing out of position that realised doing so sucked) eventually my game shifted slightly and im really not sure if in a positive way thanks to well youtube random poker articles i read etc, one of first things that changed was sb became like button in terms of raise first in and honestly for awhile i thought it was fine due to fact people really overfolded couple years back and post wasnt hard there werent as much fight post (its different now where people in position no lie float all the way to river with nothing zero equity hands really on lotta textures not once in blue moon but absolutely always, so even when got a hand your value betting which incidentally is more often a weak holding due to wide sb raising range your either check calling down weak made hand, cause opponent bluffs if you check always, that may be breakeven longterm or your overplaying a weak hand and out of postion at that).
so my question is yes i get raising wide in small blind is profitable as in gains chips in that specific spot and street if opponent folds alot there bb to steal but.... 1) people dont overfold it if anything they over defend it ip and oop (thats one of biggest changes ive personally noticed since started playing) that and absolutely nearly everyones a to the river station, i used to put a note that person was stationy whether i thought person was good or bad now i dont even bother doing that to anyone as presume everyone more often that not will station up hit any piece there pay off, ace high king high pay off under pair monotone flush or straight flop pay off for 2 streets.

so could it work raising tighter in the sb (treating it like ep, mp) and just respecting the fact that the individual has position on you going postflop and you can very rarely play aggressvely postflop if your range is wide theres going to be lots and lots of check cally pot control stuff otherwise where you either marginally win or breakeven or marginally lose, whereas if you just opened stronger range to begin with sets you up to punish the mistake of them over defending and you have best hand at showdown far more often rather than breaking even when getting there as its up 40-80%anyway lots of people, particualrly as pool is stationy anyway.

basically i feel cause hand doesn't end preflop and your playing post flop still often raising wide in sb is profitable only right there but overall as hands play out postflop often enough it isnt as any gain you had there you lose postflop just cause after all your out of position with a very wide range and lots and lots of weak hands, so unless your check folding even all your weak hands say tp weak kicker on flop cause every turn wrecks you and you check they bluff you bet you value own yourself so you breakeven at best and then they ocasionally have better or worse.
i just dont see a way to get around that disadvantage other than tighten up and just play value hands in sb fold the marginal.

im basically beginning to believe overall raising wide in small blind is a mistake not in that spot as in that spot it gains chips is profitable but overall for profitability of your game. if im wrong correct me as to how im wrong or if anyone has software and test track this both the raisng tight and money made (lost post) for both raising wide tight (so overall) that be sweet

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-23-2019 at 06:08 AM. Reason: 3 consecutive posts merged. Please use Edit button.
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07-23-2019 , 05:14 PM
if your postflop play is bad enough, no amount of stealing is gonna make up for the leak, thus, playing a bit more conservatively than "optimal" will be more +ev
its like stealing a dollar every orbit just to lose twenty postflop.
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