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Does anyone know where I can find The Grinder's Manual pre flop charts? Does anyone know where I can find The Grinder's Manual pre flop charts?

11-14-2017 , 01:41 PM
I downloaded TGM on kindle but I want to print them out and kindle cloud reader is a hot piece of garbage. I'm trying to study every part of the book deeply but these pre flop charts are becoming a huge obstacle for me because I want to print them out and use them as I play.

I've spent at least 2 hour trying to figure this out and it starting to give me a huge headache. Some one please help me lol
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11-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
enter the range into equilab and screenshot?
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11-14-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by valuecutting
enter the range into equilab and screenshot?


He could also just screenshot from the kindle reader. But I️ think entering them in manually is a better move anyway. It’ll help hero memorize quicker


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11-14-2017 , 02:18 PM
Pretty certain you can just google the process of converting Kindle stuff (wherever it is located) into a pdf.

The latest edition of MS word will convert a pdf into a word doc, which you can manipulate to your hearts content.

I did all of this for TGM and Janda's latest book, just by Googling it and downloading some free EPUB converter, so you just need to keep working at it.

I don't have a record of how I did it, but it wasn't hard. Might be a bit tougher if you don't have a pdf to word converter tho.

PS

Not everybody thinks Carroters ranges are up to much
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11-14-2017 , 02:28 PM
Funny thing...after doing all that, several weeks manipulating the ranges to my own spec, I printed them out (38 **** pages!!!!!!!) laminated them, and put them all in folder, with dividers and labels for quick reference...

[picture, or it isn't true]



....and I've never looked at them since. Go figure
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11-14-2017 , 02:49 PM
There’s quite a difference between the strategy that a beginner should play and the strategy that an expert should play. It all starts when you become positionally aware, and get your first preflop strategy.

The reason is because of the ability to make good decisions near the margin of profitable/unprofitable.

That said, I’ve never seen the grinders manual and I don’t know what kind of audience it’s intended for.
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11-14-2017 , 06:00 PM
^^ The clue's in the title Bob
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11-15-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
Pretty certain you can just google the process of converting Kindle stuff (wherever it is located) into a pdf.

The latest edition of MS word will convert a pdf into a word doc, which you can manipulate to your hearts content.

I did all of this for TGM and Janda's latest book, just by Googling it and downloading some free EPUB converter, so you just need to keep working at it.

I don't have a record of how I did it, but it wasn't hard. Might be a bit tougher if you don't have a pdf to word converter tho.

PS

Not everybody thinks Carroters ranges are up to much
They patched this believe me I've tried lol
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11-17-2017 , 10:53 AM
I googled this and never heard about it. Are these pretty good though?
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11-17-2017 , 11:40 AM
I am reading the book Now, i only look a OR charts atm, dont know if be a more charts. But Imo is no good idea Play with a lot of charts, It is crazy. Is better understand a range out of tables and use a sesión to interiorize It. Im only a fish, but in my experience Play with a lot of charts is a bad idea. Try aply a lot of parts of the book in the same moment is a bad idea too imo. So i think no need print the charts XD
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11-17-2017 , 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy54
Pretty certain you can just google the process of converting Kindle stuff (wherever it is located) into a pdf.

The latest edition of MS word will convert a pdf into a word doc, which you can manipulate to your hearts content.

I did all of this for TGM and Janda's latest book, just by Googling it and downloading some free EPUB converter, so you just need to keep working at it.

I don't have a record of how I did it, but it wasn't hard. Might be a bit tougher if you don't have a pdf to word converter tho.

PS

Not everybody thinks Carroters ranges are up to much
Can you say more of What people think of the book ranges? I only look ranges in OR cap atm, in this cap he say this ranges are orientative, and in steal position very flexible. and are NIT ranges for a not noob player he advice. Please can you say we What you think about general book ranges? (Or What people think if you no read the book)
Ty and sorry 4 my poor english
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11-17-2017 , 02:42 PM
^^ sure

background, I wanted to develop my cash game and I bought the Grinders Manual. It struck me that if i could convert it to MS word, i could use his ranges as a starting point to develop my own and this I did.

1 - I don't use Carroters ranges, I changed them quite a bit.

having done line a TON of work on them, i thought I might use them in game.

2 - I don't use them in game.

so I thought I'd use them in for post game analysis.

3 - nope, don't use them for anything.

So it waste of time then...absolutely not. By studying ranges intensely, i got to to know them intimately and learned how to use them.

I actually don't think it matters very much what your ranges are...I think it is way more important to know how you use your ranges (preflop) in order to make your postflop play more straightfoward.

Let me give you an example...98 suited (100 bb effective stack)

V a EP (reg or unk) 3x open = fold (ip or oop)
V a EP (reg or unk) 2x open = call (ip or oop)
V a LP (reg or unk) = mixed strat/call or 3bet
V a fish any position, any size = call
multiway = call
Deep Stacks = call
BB V SB RFI (reg or unk)= 3bet
BB V SB RFI (fish) = call
RFI (steal) all positions inc UTG
RFI v 3bet oop = fold (assuming 3bet is "correctly" sized, otherwise call)
RFI v 3 bet ip = call
3bet v 4bet ip or oop call if 4bet is on the small side, fold otherwise)

you may not follow that (and just about everybody will disagree with at least some part of it, if not all) but here is the message.

When I look down and see 98s, I know exactly what I'm going to do with preflop in both exploitative and GTO spots and what I'm going to do with it is designed around making my postflop play easier.

You get there by studying ranges very intently and using existing pro players ranges gives you confidence that you are at least in the right ball park.

To give you a more direct answer, I think his ranges are pretty good, but i think it is more important to understand what he is trying to achieve in any given spot. I'm a big fan of the grinders manual and i think if you can really get it on board, together with both of Janda's books and both of Tendlers books, you'd be a pretty solid online cash player.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 11-17-2017 at 03:00 PM.
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11-17-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
^^ sure

background, I wanted to develop my cash game and I bought the Grinders Manual. It struck me that if i could convert it to MS word, i could use his ranges as a starting point to develop my own and this I did.

1 - I don't use Carroters ranges, I changed them quite a bit.

having done line a TON of work on them, i thought I might use them in game.

2 - I don't use them in game.

so I thought I'd use them in for post game analysis.

3 - nope, don't use them for anything.

So it waste of time then...absolutely not. By studying ranges intensely, i got to to know them intimately and learned how to use them.

I actually don't think it matters very much what your ranges are...I think it is way more important to know how you use your ranges (preflop) in order to make your postflop play more straightfoward.

Let me give you an example...98 suited (100 bb effective stack)

V a EP (reg or unk) 3x open = fold (ip or oop)
V a EP (reg or unk) 2x open = call (ip or oop)
V a LP (reg or unk) = mixed strat/call or 3bet
V a fish any position, any size = call
multiway = call
Deep Stacks = call
BB V SB RFI (reg or unk)= 3bet
BB V SB RFI (fish) = call
RFI (steal) all positions inc UTG
RFI v 3bet oop = fold (assuming 3bet is "correctly" sized, otherwise call)
RFI v 3 bet ip = call
3bet v 4bet ip or oop call if 4bet is on the small side, fold otherwise)

you may not follow that (and just about everybody will disagree with at least some part of it, if not all) but here is the message.

When I look down and see 98s, I know exactly what I'm going to do with preflop in both exploitative and GTO spots and what I'm going to do with it is designed around making my postflop play easier.

You get there by studying ranges very intently and using existing pro players ranges gives you confidence that you are at least in the right ball park.

To give you a more direct answer, I think his ranges are pretty good, but i think it is more important to understand what he is trying to achieve in any given spot. I'm a big fan of the grinders manual and i think if you can really get it on board, together with both of Janda's books and both of Tendlers books, you'd be a pretty solid online cash player.
Very Thank you for the answer mate, i go find the other books you say
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11-25-2017 , 06:40 AM
I memorize using cheat sheets or flash cards.

When I play online and I want to memorize ranges or other information, I often have a (typed) cheat sheet on a clipboard right next to the monitor. I use large type so that it's easy to read at a glance.

Example:

Loose Opening Range From Early Position
44+, ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s

This does two things for me:

1. I get used to playing more hands. I'm a naturally very tight player. I use charts like this to force myself out of my comfort zone.
2. As I'm looking often at the chart I'm automatically memorizing it, no flash cards required.

Edit: Of course, how closely I follow a chart will depend on what's happening on the table. One always has to be ready to adjust.

Last edited by Poker Clif; 11-25-2017 at 06:52 AM.
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