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Daniel's Big Bet strategy? Daniel's Big Bet strategy?

10-26-2020 , 03:27 AM
I watched a training video by DN that advocates for raising 5xBB as your opening size and 3betting 4-5x your opponents bet size strictly for value when you have a big hand. He mentions this concept to reduce your opponents edge since I guess you force him to have a premium hand to continue against you, assuming you are also playing a tight range. He then says to just bet pot on every street postflop if you hit.

I'm not sure what to make of this strat. I suppose against a huge whale this could work but vs anybody else it seems like all you do is make the worst hand fold. With a starting stack of $500 if someone raises the BTN to $25 do we really want to 3bet $125 with TT? What if he calls? Do we just bet over half our stack on a "safe" flop? Then jam the turn for like a 1/5 PSB remaining?
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10-26-2020 , 03:38 AM
It sounds like a defensive strategy for absolute novices. Not great advice imo.
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10-26-2020 , 04:44 AM
Then again, GTO is 100% a defensive strategy and half the people here think that's the ultimate goal in terms of playing style
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10-26-2020 , 11:28 AM
That was a pretty standard strategy for small stakes live games 10-15 years ago when people didn't fold preflop.

Kudos to you if you're able to find a game where that stuff works in 2020.
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10-26-2020 , 06:27 PM
idk, live 1-2, $300 buy-in, 5x is a pretty standard open since raising to 2.5x or 3x just guarantees you'll be playing a big pot with 5 or more callers OTF (It's live - your opponents didn't drive all the way to the casino to fold).

3! to 4x of the open raise doesn't seem out of line either for 1-2 live.

Live and online are totally different games.
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10-27-2020 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Then again, GTO is 100% a defensive strategy and half the people here think that's the ultimate goal in terms of playing style
There's nothing wrong with a well-implemented defensive strategy. There's nothing wrong with an aggressive strategy. But to equate this garbage to GTO is a bit silly.
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10-27-2020 , 07:37 AM
better watch some cat videos instead
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10-27-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BenStiller69
I'm not sure what to make of this strat. I suppose against a huge whale this could work but vs anybody else it seems like all you do is make the worst hand fold. With a starting stack of $500 if someone raises the BTN to $25 do we really want to 3bet $125 with TT? What if he calls? Do we just bet over half our stack on a "safe" flop? Then jam the turn for like a 1/5 PSB remaining?
Pretty sure if the strat is to pot every street postflop, you aren't going to leave like 3 redbirds for the turn, you just throw them in OTF.

I don't think this strat is great as stated.

Preflop you can definitely do this in live low stakes games because 'normal' raise sizes are easily 5x anyway, and players hate folding to 3bets so you should exploit this by 3 betting big and only doing so for value vs. the general population. So no issues with preflop.

Postflop you should settle down and think about what you are doing, because there are so many variables. Spamming out pot sized bets when you hit big is fine but you need to take notice of the board texture, your opponent's likely holdings, stack sizes, opponent tendencies, how many people you are facing etc. etc.

Like say you have a wet board, 3 opponents, mid set, 20bb pot size and 95bb behind. Well yeah pot the flop and jam the turn barring a disaster card and more than 1 guy left in the hand.

Say you 3bet a tight player, who has a fold button and he calls. You have AA and the board is A72r. 10bb in the pot, 150bb behind. You have position. You think he has 88+/suited broadways/AQ+/ATs+. OK so do you want to spam out pot sized bets? I hope not. We can bet small and get called by his pockets as well as his Ax. Ax will give us two streets. Maybe we check turn and let him stab, or we continue to bet small on bricky turns. Point is, if we pot it, we miss a ton of value.

Last edited by WereBeer; 10-27-2020 at 04:26 PM.
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10-27-2020 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Then again, GTO is 100% a defensive strategy and half the people here think that's the ultimate goal in terms of playing style
GTO isn't a playing style though.
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