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11-15-2017 , 01:43 PM
Plo when I raise preflop and I get it heads up or 3 handed I will c_bet and check the turn if called nearly all the time ( no hud)

When playing without reads on opponent it seems like the best option as the cost of a second bullet is to high (micro) and seems if called once most likely to call again

I play zoom and spin and go's plo and nl spins

When I played on a laptop and had a hud it was easy due to stats always there

Basically is it best to just c-bet Check without reads?

Mutliway I will just check it down unless ibeant value or bluff just so it looks fishy....
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11-15-2017 , 02:08 PM
PLO is such a hugely variable situation given the massive amount of differing situations, it's not like holdem where if you have a pair it's overpair/set/underpair or if you don't you hit it/have overs/whiff, but if you're saying you don't have reads you're not paying enough attention
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11-16-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
PLO is such a hugely variable situation given the massive amount of differing situations, it's not like holdem where if you have a pair it's overpair/set/underpair or if you don't you hit it/have overs/whiff, but if you're saying you don't have reads you're not paying enough attention
Xoom and hypers you don't really get much info

Thinks it is best to Chet give up as a go to.
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11-16-2017 , 11:57 AM
If you c-bet without even considering the strength of your hand, or (roughly) how often you think villain will fold, or how much equity you think you have when called, or you don't consider barreling frequencies, or backdoor draws, you're doing it wrong. PLO is a complicated game. A monkey could be trained to c-bet 100% of the time. Monkeys don't crush the game.
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11-17-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
If you c-bet without even considering the strength of your hand, or (roughly) how often you think villain will fold, or how much equity you think you have when called, or you don't consider barreling frequencies, or backdoor draws, you're doing it wrong. PLO is a complicated game. A monkey could be trained to c-bet 100% of the time. Monkeys don't crush the game.
Poker without a hud (plo) zoom and 3 handed nl hypers would you say it is possible to make money or even break even by just playing random players without any saved data on any opponent?
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11-18-2017 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Singasong2222
Poker without a hud (plo) zoom and 3 handed nl hypers would you say it is possible to make money or even break even by just playing random players without any saved data on any opponent?
The bulk of my play for the past 3 years has been on a site with no HUDs, and with the ability to use a different screenname every day. Provided the rake is beatable, of course it's possible to make money playing against unknowns. I've been downswinging this year - after crushing in 2015-2016, but a couple of my buddies have been printing money in "anonymous" SNGs, MTTs and at PLO.
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11-18-2017 , 02:02 PM
C-betting in PLO is a heads up situation thing but if you have something (doesn't mean it should be c-bet but one could if not considering balance factors) or the board is really poor and the opponent(s) have the ability to flop fold a pair, inside straight draw, 3-flush plus, overcards.

IMO, the NLH c-betting standards give some idea of what to c-bet in PLO. Your basic strategy is often pretty okay (just too aggro, a style many nlh players use, that I float or check raise frequently, more or less depending on flop), as you might see by observing the best players.

I don't think the book knowledge is top accurate here about PLO and Hwang (he has written many PLO books) admits that c-betting is generally not bad in a heads up situation (sometimes he was even more aggro) even when c-checking is better, and when little fear of getting check raised, it could well be the best strategy, as it might be according to nlh GTO if the option to check raise is eliminated.
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11-21-2017 , 10:50 AM
This question is best answered by Jeff Hwang's Advanced PLO book, Vol. 1.
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11-21-2017 , 01:06 PM
I happened to watch a couple of JNandez's YouTube videos yesterday. He crushes high stakes, but he's been doing a bankroll build starting at 25PLOzoom. I know hardly anything about PLO strat, but his strategy (against total unknowns) seemed very ABC, and he explains it in a straightforward manner. If he has no equity on a flop, he'll check-fold. If he has a hand that plays well in a big pot, he'll bet it. Before c-betting the flop, however, he'll already be considering which cards will be good for barreling. If there won't be many good cards for barreling, then betting the flop rarely makes much sense. #AllAboutTheBackdoors
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11-22-2017 , 03:20 AM
OK briefly a couple notes from Hwang off the top of my head.

"Initiative" in PLO doesn't work the same way it does in Holdem. Sometimes it's good to be the preflop raiser, but out of position on the flop, bet, and take it down. PLO doesn't work as well that way.

Also, regarding hands to c-bet, the basic idea is to assume you're going to get raised, and how would that work for you? For example, assume you're in position and get checked to on the flop. If you have a gutshot, you don't want to bet and get raised off your hand because you have equity you don't want to fold - you want that free card. If you're on a complete bluff, getting raises isn't bad because you aren't looking for any outs - you can just fold. Or, if you flopped the nuts of course you want to get raised. If you have a big draw, you're fine getting it in so again you don't mind getting raised. etc.
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