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Old 06-16-2017, 05:20 AM   #1
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Bvb 20bb shoving range?

I'm looking for resources or tools where I could analyze shoving spots like these. Does anyone know any?

I know 20bb may be too deep for shoving, but vs fish we can take an exploitative play if it works. I was mainly shoving for ~15bb with hands like A2o A3o 22 K3s. Especially vs fish who like to flat a lot and therefore we would have to play a pot OOP with marginal holding.

4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 21.28 BB (VPIP: 47.15, PFR: 20.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.13, Hands: 743)
BTN: 108.2 BB
Hero (SB): 127.59 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 9

fold, Hero raises to 116 BB, BB calls 20.28 BB

Flop: (42.55 BB, 2 players) 9 A J

Turn: (42.55 BB, 2 players) 8

River: (42.55 BB, 2 players) 2

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Old 06-16-2017, 07:20 AM   #2
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Re: Bvb 20bb shoving range?

standard limp/complete for me
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:23 PM   #3
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Re: Bvb 20bb shoving range?

T9o isn't particularly profitable even if you jam your entire playable range at Equilibrium. I get 39% [22+,A2+,K4s+,K9o+,Q5s+,Q9o+,J7s+,J9o+,T6s+,T9o,96s +,86s+,75s+,65s,54s] as the "Nash" push-fold range with one calculator and 43% with another chart. (T9o gets a 20+ on most push-fold charts). The Sklansky-Chubukov number for T9o is apparently only 7.4, so jamming 20bb seems a bit excessive, but I doubt villain is calling with every Jx, Qx and Kx, so it should be profitable.
I presume you could use Pio to solve (or look up) a more complex strategy that involves limping and minraising parts of your range.
Exploitatively, you could assign a calling range for villain and then do the EV math for your specific hand. (i.e. work out how often he calls and how much equity you have against that range and add it to your EV for when he folds).

Personally, I would limp or raise-fold, but I have no idea if one option is clearly better.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:09 PM   #4
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Re: Bvb 20bb shoving range?

If you want to analyze such spots and get ranges just try icmizer.
Google for it!
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