NSD winnings. Ill try to remember to screenshot rakeback next time if you are interested. Its 35% fwiw.

Sorry, after I read "no more" I quit reading Carry on

From already behind both of you guys, I decided to play some more yesterday. I couldn't find a flop or river that did anything but make me second best yesterday (including SHENANIGANS ) So now I am even further behind. I think it may be a talent issue

I am gonna keep chasing though, that's what fish do amirite?

I especially enjoyed Ozi's historical narrative. I too, have been playing NL on CAKE, HUDLESS. It is refreshing and organic if you will.

Finally got round to reading this months Digest. the drunken aussies article and a step back in time with Bona.

You can take comfort from the sad fact that I'm behind you tho Bona, so you are beating somebody! Actually, I have thrown in the towel and moaned "No mas!"

I need 4 cards to be able to play poker I guess, if I could find a game with 6 it might be even better

I hear there are some games with 7 cards.. although you might want 8 ... it does take a stud to play these games. Sorry to razz you about your failure.

Just because I have spotted Ice harrassing a fellow Digest editor ITT, does not mean I have to bring up any recent LL bets or anything. Nope, not gonna do it.

I have to give you some way to win shenanigans money back

Wasnt really paying attention and too lazy to filter it down to ~2k hands, so here is my 2250k hand graph. As you can see, it hasnt been easy going, but it is going. Added rakeback line as I wasnt sure if a_schu wanted to see it or was just confused with the last graph.

A) i was confused on the last graph.

B) I still like seeing ti anyway.

I am looking for a reader who can provide either a well crafted, succinct but thorough explanation of how AF is computed and how AFq is computed. Re-inventing the wheel is not necessary, if anyone has a link to an article or post that already does this that would be great. (Yes, TYVM I already know that "search" is my friend.)

This will be used as a part of a discussion on the use of AF stats in an upcoming digest article. PM me if you can help.

AF (Aggression Factor) is:

(Bets + Raises)/Calls


AFq (Aggression Frequency) is:

the percentage of times that you raise or bet when you have a chance to do so.


Keep in mind that a player's VPIP and PFR are important in determining what said player's AF and/or AFq actually mean.

For example a 9/7 player with an AF of 5 and an AFq of 60% would be very very different from a 82/31 player with the same aggression stats.

For a 9/7 player an AF of 1.5 would seem pretty not aggressive, but for a 85/10 player, a 1.5 AF may be pretty aggressive.

^^^

Good response there.

153 more hands to go and up a little less than $15.

Doc

You should be happy doc... You are running at more than a buyin per 1k hands. A lot of people would love that win rate, especially someone just really trying nlhe for the first time. That's over 5BB/100, which is excellent for a newbie at nl.

Done! Thanks for the motivation Doc. Hope I see a mini heater in your last hands on your 3K graph.

I included all lines on my graph for the curious.

Isn't that pretty excellent for anyone really? I mean i know 4nl is bad, but ti still seems like its not bad for anyone.

LOLOLOLOL Doc will whine about his carddeaditude and omgIrunssobad for the next five years.

Should be his avvy imo.

I would imagine, yes. I don't play much fr, esp at merge.. so idk what kind of win rates are doable... But 5BB would def be excellent.

What are your games, anyway?

Mostly mtts and sngs... I also dabble in 6max nlhe and plo from time to time.

I just finished. You beat me easily. Most of these guys play straight forward. If I would have read the Baluga theorem earlier and applied it to this challenge, I would have myself two or three buyins. And there were several other hands that were just plan dumb. I ran hot the first 800 hands and I just couldn't get anything going after that.

Below, is my final graph. You guys will have to wait for the next Digest for my stats and my story about how this came about.



These was a fun challenge for me trying to learn a little about a different type of holdem. I played 911 hands in July after Bona approached me about the challenge. So in all, I have played 3911 hands of 4NL and won $27.34 and ran 17.48BB/100.

Damn, I haven't played any limit holdem for a half a month except in Shenanigans. Got to be a new record for me.

Doc

Well Done, Doc. That is surely an enviable WR (although small sample, etc, blah blah).

VN Doc for a limit donk It is surely much tougher than it seems transferring from LHE to NLHE. I know I cant go to LHE and pull a decent winrate in a million years.

On April 1, I decided to concentrate a little more post flop while playing on my limit tables and not spew as much post flop. I just checked my limit graph since then and I'm running 2.41BB/100 over a small sample size of 18,000 hands. Small sample size because I've been playing around playing some O/8 and HORSE cash games since then also. Plus, I'm just a recreational player not a grinder.

Limit games are lot tougher for me than the were way back pre-UIGEA. It started getting tougher after that and since Black Friday they are even tougher. There are a lot players playing microstakes now that were playing higher stakes pre-Black Friday. They are playing lower stakes because they don't want to take too much chances having a big bankroll online.

Doc