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Originally Posted by supraman215
So I started playing online poker at the micro stakes, 4nl, back in July of this year. about 3 months ago. I wasn't completely new to poker I had done quite a bit of research on sites around EV and when and where to bet and call. I put in $20, lost it all, but in another $20 lost it all. then put in $40 and i'm even or a little bit down depending on how you figure rakeback into that equation.
Since I started and was getting crushed I decided to do even more learning. I started off as very Tight Passive, I've moved to become looser and agressive model. playing around 20% of my hands (best guess)
I read Easy Game by Andrew Seidman, 3 times.
The Poker Mindset by Ian Taylor and Matt Hilger
Elements of poker by Tommy Angelo
No Bull**** 6max
I've watched many videos on Duces Cracked by Threads13 over and over. He seems to have an effective strategy. I've watched people play online streaming as well.
I can't download any HH from the site I play on so it's going to be tough for me to do any significant analysis on where i might have leaks. I have played about 7200 hands. I've spent a lot of time and a little bit of money trying to improve my game but I am terrible. People say, move down in stakes when you suck well that's not possible where i'm standing. I also don't have enough money to put into a roll to make it big enough to move up and I am certain I would just punt that away as well. so I'm committed to winning at this level. I feel like i'm the hardest working player at this level, that is not winning. I don't know what it's going to take for me to turn the corner. Every time I think I got it move up 2bi to move down another 4.
Yes I know I shouldn't be results focused. Which would be ok for me. I don't really get too upset when I take a bad beat. But tilt is still an issue for me as I've never crossed over into becoming a winning player. I don't have a winning strategy.
At this point i'm feeling a bit of analysis parallysis. Not knowing what the right call is and in what spots. I realize this game is not easy to master maybe i'm being too impatient. But I don't really want to master it. I want to win at this level. Everyone says micros are so easy. Which is also frustrating.
My goal is to be a rec player but a winning player. and to be able to play 300nl live at the casino effectively. So my end goal is to work up to that skill and br.
Jeff
So, first, realize that the goal of being a winning reg is tougher than it seems. i heard one player estimate that to be a winning player, you have to be better than 80% of the other players. That seems about right.
Second, be patient. At 3 months and 7,200 hands, you are basically a poker newborn. You have a little conceptual knowledge from your readings, but your ability to analyze things during a hand is very underdeveloped at this point.
Third, by playing online without a HUD, you are crippling yourself. A HUD gives so much information that helps you place opponents on ranges. It is fine if you want to train yourself to not use a HUD so that you can be ready for live poker, but don't expect to win too much.
As someone else mentioned above, you are likely drowning because there is so much to absorb, so much to learn. The usual progression is:
1. Noob-plays way too many hands, calls bets with no understanding of EV or pot odds, doesn't know why he bets or calls, has no game plan. Everyone goes through this spazz-tastic phase where each hand and how it turns out is a complete surprise.
2. TAG-Players begin to understand that some hands are losers, and they start playing their strong hands strong. This used to be good enough to win, but now it is a pretty exploitable style
3. Value and Bluffs-Once a player figures out that playing only value hands is not working, they will work a few bluffs, c-bets, and semi-bluffs into their post flop play. They may even add a few trash hands to their preflop raising range. There is a tendency to go over board and become super laggy and a spewtard. You have to find that level of aggression that balances your bluffs and value hands, so that you still get paid on your value hands, and you still win a few hands with air. Of course, you will also get smacked in the head when you bluff into the nuts, but it is gonna happen so get ready for it.
4. Balanced play\Light value\merged range\GTO-This is when things start to get really interesting. This is when players know that you bluff, so they will play bluff catchers. And you know that they know you bluff, so you play a wider range of hands for value. And they know that you know that they know that yoy bluff, so they will play an even wider range of value hands. This is how you will see two very good players show down with ace high versus bottom pair. You think they are playing stupid, but they are really about seven layers deep.
It sounds like you haven't spent enough time playing TAG, learning how to read the board, put opponents on range, and then extract value when you are ahead. Once you feel comfortable playing a TAG style (note: this still won't be a winning style, but will be less apt to spew off big stacks), you can start to add elements to your game.