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Bad call or no? Bad call or no?

03-29-2019 , 08:45 PM
My buddy insist I made a terrible call. I’d like your input:

Playing cash game .25/.50 blinds

Limp pot pre flop and the flop comes Q 10 4 all diamonds. My buddy shoved all in which is about $30 max. I call because I have A 10 with the mid pair and one over card. My thought was he is trying to bluff and if he had anything significant, he would lead me to bet into the pot. My chip stack is signicantly larger than $30. I know the chances of flopping a flush are around 10%. I like my odds. He says it was a terrible call because it appeared as if he was trying to protect his lower card flush that he flopped. What are your thoughts on my call? Pot size was around $4 when he pushed.
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03-29-2019 , 08:50 PM
anyone else go to the flop....or just you two. Position of each as well
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03-29-2019 , 09:02 PM
Folks do all sorts of things but it would be pretty bad to shove 30 on 4 w a small flush for protection against a 4th flush card coming knowing there are only 7 of them left. Playing it slower should make way more money in the long run unless one's opponent is likely to put you on a bluff and call super wide, then shoving is okay so, know your enemy.
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03-29-2019 , 11:43 PM
Yes, it's a horrible call. He is shoving 8x pot into 7 other people, any of whom could have flopped a flush. Any bluff is suicide here without the Ad, and even that's optimistic and his bet sizing is silly.

It's important to know whether or not you are closing action. If you think your buddy is very bluff-heavy then I could possibly get behind a call closing action.

FWIW, you should fold 2P and small flushes here also in an 8-way pot.
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03-30-2019 , 12:17 AM
Him and I were the only ones in the hand. He was BB and I was dealer.
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03-30-2019 , 03:27 AM
I really can't be bothered to parse this or ask the questions needed to do so, so IMO probably a terrible bet, probably a terrible call, definitely terrible for your friend to berate your play.
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03-30-2019 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bmo222
Him and I were the only ones in the hand. He was BB and I was dealer.
You said the pot was $4 before his shove. It was a limped pot, you were heads up and the stakes were .25/.5. All of these things can’t be true.
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03-30-2019 , 11:47 AM
Guy shoves from the BB into 7 limpers and you decide that’s the time to be a hero?sounds like a very good game.
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05-22-2019 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Guy shoves from the BB into 7 limpers and you decide that’s the time to be a hero?sounds like a very good game.


He stated they were heads up.

Why was your buddy so mad? Did he have 99 or something? Lol.

There’s more dynamics involved with saying whether an action was good or bad. If someone is known to shove the flop with air and you have middle pair it could be a good call

If he is a Nit and won’t get it in unless he has the nuts it’s a bad call.

Every poker books starts out saying something along the lines of:

“As a pro poker player people always ask me advice about hands and they tell me what cards they had and what cards were on the board and what happened without telling me the most important pieces of information”.

That’s what this is.
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05-22-2019 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bmo222
I know the chances of flopping a flush are around 10%.
You actually don't know that the chances of flopping a flush are around 10% because the true probability of flopping a flush is less than 1%. Secondly, that percentage doesn't matter, because you already have 3 diamonds on the board. So the more important probability is the chance of him having 2 diamonds, given that you have none and there are 3 on the board - this is around 4%.

None of that is particularly relevant to the particular question, but I think that everyone else addressed it pretty well. You just need to give more information.
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05-23-2019 , 11:02 AM
terrible call in general multiway all in 2nd pair. and your reasoning makes no sense XD, a home game i assume?
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05-23-2019 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex
terrible call in general multiway all in 2nd pair. and your reasoning makes no sense XD, a home game i assume?
Where did you deduce this was multiway?

Anyone for that matter. He never said that and a couple posts down he clarified it was heads up.
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05-23-2019 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Where did you deduce this was multiway?

Anyone for that matter. He never said that and a couple posts down he clarified it was heads up.
Oh really I reckoned with "limped pot preflop" it was limped around. still generally a bad play with bad reasoning behind it.
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05-23-2019 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex
Oh really I reckoned with "limped pot preflop" it was limped around. still generally a bad play with bad reasoning behind it.
This is a home game where limp ins result in folds all the way around and 7.5 SPR pot jams being called but middle pair.

I wish I would get an invite. lol
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05-23-2019 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
This is a home game where limp ins result in folds all the way around and 7.5 SPR pot jams being called but middle pair.

I wish I would get an invite. lol
Lol yeah I have my own homegame pretty regularly where hands like this happen too.
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05-23-2019 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
Where did you deduce this was multiway?

Anyone for that matter. He never said that and a couple posts down he clarified it was heads up.
We can deduce that it was multi-way because he gave the pot size as $4 and the blinds are .25/.5, and no one raised pre. His statement that the pot was heads up contradicts the other info.
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05-23-2019 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
We can deduce that it was multi-way because he gave the pot size as $4 and the blinds are .25/.5, and no one raised pre. His statement that the pot was heads up contradicts the other info.


Stupid me. You are right. He must of meant post flop when he said this.


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Him and I were the only ones in the hand. He was BB and I was dealer.
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