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Old 01-10-2018, 05:16 PM   #1
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All in with the big stack

Just watched PCA finale table
Situation 3players
Big stack 2000000dealer
Middle 1200000 BB
Low 500000 SB
25000/50000 ante 5000

The biggest stack went almost always all in.
Even with 67 suited, 24 unsuited.

I know you have to keep pressure on the lower stacks.
But why not 3 or 4 bet preflop and avoid the risk your opponent has a big hand and doubles up.
If you loose the middle stacks becomes bigger than you.

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Old 01-10-2018, 06:03 PM   #2
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Re: All in with the big stack

that's poker
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:04 PM   #3
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Re: All in with the big stack

Cuz I knew I could push those guys around
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:15 PM   #4
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Re: All in with the big stack

this is pretty standard short stacked play - any standard raise close to commits you versus the small blind, and the big blind can pretty much never call without an ubermonster because of icm

also you do not 3 or 4 bet here
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:51 AM   #5
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Re: All in with the big stack

As above .. pretty standard. There is no room for 3-bets because any raise would be an all-in!

The shorter stacks are looking at laddering up to 2nd place so will only call off their stack maybe 15% of the time or less. Big Stack is still in the tournament with 18BB min if he loses a hand and picks up 2% of the chips in play with every 'steal'. GL
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:15 PM   #6
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Re: All in with the big stack

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But why not 3 or 4 bet preflop and avoid the risk your opponent has a big hand and doubles up.
Others have touched on it, but 3 betting doesn't mean betting 3x the blinds, it means betting for a third time, as in Player 1 bets, Player 2 raises, then Player 1 raises again. If Player 2 raised again after that action, that would be a 4 bet.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:25 PM   #7
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Re: All in with the big stack

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Others have touched on it, but 3 betting doesn't mean betting 3x the blinds, it means betting for a third time, as in Player 1 bets, Player 2 raises, then Player 1 raises again. If Player 2 raised again after that action, that would be a 4 bet.
This can be a little confusing preflop. For these purposes, the BB is considered the first bet (but the SB isn't), followed by a raise (2nd bet) and a re-raise is the 3-bet. Postflop it is just bet, raise, 3-bet. I believe (but could easily be wrong) that this all comes from fixed limit games - where if someone 3-bets the next person literally has to call 3 bets (since the size of each bet is the same).
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:47 PM   #8
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Re: All in with the big stack

OK, the original format of the post was difficult for me to read. It looks like you have P1 with 40bb, P2 with 22 bb, and P3 with 12 bb

To me, the logic of shoving is:

P2 won't want to call a shove without a monster, even if he knows P1 is shoving light, due to ICM reasons. P3 can't (or shouldn't) call a standard open, he is always shoving if he is going to play the hand. So shoving gets a lot of fold equity against P2, and doesn't really sacrifice anything against P3 (you are likely going to have to call P3's 3 bet shove no matter what cards ou opened with).

Both P2 and P3 are big enough stacked that they are thinking of laddering up, so making them play for stacks every time narrows their range.
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