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06-23-2021 , 08:47 AM
9 handed, online, friendly game, 1-2, 125 BB effective. Hero in MP

UTG+2 opens, Hero is dealt AK off in the next seat and he 3bets to 11 BBs. Player in the blinds calls. It folds back around to the Original Raiser, who pops it to 50 BBs 4Bet. Hero thinks about it for a while and then calls. Player in the blinds 5 bet Jams. Original Raiser re-jams all in.

Hero would be putting in 125 dollars for a pot that would be 750.

This is not a great spot. I tanked for a long time and ended up calling, I think now it is a fold. My range here is MAYBE jacks, queens and ace king, but I don't even know.

I think now the best move is to five bet jam immediately after the Original Raiser 50 BBs 4bets. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.
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06-23-2021 , 09:19 AM
You can just fold to the 4bet, sizing is way too big.
A proper 4bet size would be 30bb, max 35.
People in live games almost always have AA/KK here.

If you notice they're doing this with a much wider range, then you can call or shove.
I'd probably prefer shoving here, since there's a lot of dead money in the pot.

Once you've called the 4bet there's no way you can still fold.
Even if they show KK and QQ you're getting odds to call.
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06-23-2021 , 12:28 PM
Pretty hard to fold getting 4 to 1 at the end. You may rarely have 20% equity but at this point I think TT-JJ and AK, even AQs are 'bad' calls but correct so to speak, especially in a cash game.

You can give some TT+ to the 50bb raise in a 'friendly' game. Online may be different, but typically the larger the 3-bet the weaker the holding 'can' be. Player in blinds cold flats a 3-bet and then jams? Who's to say what that range is supposed to be. I'm guessing it's supposed to be AA-QQ/AKs.

I know online is supposed to be way tighter than live in this spot, but this just describes more like a home game than a typical online 'random' table.

The assumption is that when someone makes a post they lost, but maybe you were up against KK v KK. GL
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06-23-2021 , 02:59 PM
The player in the blinds had AA. He's been known to sometimes get a little cute with big pocket pairs. The original raiser had Kings. AA took it down, predictably. Such is life. I think that more and more I don't like calling the 4bet with anything, and 5-bet or fold there is better with 3 players in the pot.
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06-24-2021 , 08:28 AM
Live 3bets are way way tighter than online.
Live 4bets are always AA/KK for 90% of the players. There's a few better players who do it with QQ/AK, not many.

Folding too wide vs a 4bet, especially a large one, in live games is a good strategy.
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06-24-2021 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
Live 3bets are way way tighter than online.
Live 4bets are always AA/KK for 90% of the players. There's a few better players who do it with QQ/AK, not many.

Folding too wide vs a 4bet, especially a large one, in live games is a good strategy.
OP is talking about an online game though

I still like folding against the crazy big 4Bet unless we know he’s doing that with a not-nutted range.
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06-24-2021 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
OP is talking about an online game though

I still like folding against the crazy big 4Bet unless we know he’s doing that with a not-nutted range.
Oh oops

+1 though
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06-24-2021 , 07:18 PM
you cannot call that 4b
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