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Old 07-11-2018, 12:00 AM   #1
LionelHutz11
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Advice on My Preflop Range Ideas I Come Up With

hi guys im not new new to poker mean ive been playing a year and half now in varying formats, but i am new to using a poker hud and ive noticed recently it makes putting people on rough ranges far easier, but its also got me questioning my own, i think im currently way too loose so want to fix that as made me realise anyone that is using a hud can exploit the **** out of me and 3bet me wide and i cant do much about it.
basically im going to be making a small deposit again soon on a site (as busted my last little one playing in fairly chunky for me buyin tournaments for no good reason)(thinking partypoker... opinions thoughts?) $60 or so and start at 2nl and play cash games exclusively no more sit and goes or tournaments or spin and goes (mainly as i dont find the games as interesting).
Anyway thought before i make the deposit i need to reconstruct my cash game strategy least preflop as preflop i dont think i know! im making mistakes.
so decided to use the hand range modeller thing on pokertracker 4 and ive been tryna think logically about what hands i should open from each position and also what ones i should defend to 3bets....? as ive learnt people in the blinds in my opinion seem to 3bet wide (like any picture cards pockets etc odd suited connector) and i think i overfold to these currently as ive got the sort of gap concept in my head of need a better hand to call a raise than raise yourself, but been thinking lately i need to defend my button opens far more without getting silly as got pot odds on call alot! and also got position which i feel you should and need to abuse i mean (dont know about you but i hate hate playing out of position even strong hands feels urgh!) so i feel i really got to call more and start getting better at playing 3bet pots as again 3bettors just cbet any flop regardless of texture so you know they havent got anything most of the time and alot of the time the textures bad for them as the raiser too but equally your rarely have much either.
anyway on to the point i decided to try get technical and work out what hands i should be able to play profitably from each position i have a strong liking for hands that are either pockets (best starting hand you can get pre and likely the best hand so i play all pockets possibly too aggressively pre) High,Connected and Suited cards (thinking being these hands hit and can continue on more flops than others as they got 3 things going for them) even offsuit high cards im just not massive fan of as your going for one thing making a good pair on the flop.
so ive built my whole range around playability and not just pure raw equity (as it means nothing if i cant bet it strongly or reach showdown often enough with it e.g. rag aces and kings) but also i wanted to keep some of my favourite junk in there ha couldnt help it J9suited and 10,6suited respectively love playing these two hands ha, there not even very good ha.

anyway range ideas are in the links below id appreciate comments criticisms anything basically, id tried to think logically about every hand i included and from which position and why... but if my logic is faulty or flawed please do correct me. im not massive fan of opening rag ace even on the button but still feel i got to as you steal blinds fair bit but thought i least pick the ones that can make straights and fold the others i know equity of the other rags is higher but i still feel they have far less playability

https://imgur.com/a/c9sdlHw

and heres my idea for defend vs 3bet both for in position and out of position
and sb vs bb (which i feel is a unique spot) and also button defence i kept range pretty wide to 3bets too as feel you got too as people know your opening wider there and therefore more inclined to 3bet you wider, but there still out of position and how point off opening ****ty connectors weaker hands is to play them in position see flops and make money on them and crack high pair hands so if im folding them all to 3bets it just feels like a mistake with the pot odds and implied and fact they themselves arent 3betting purely the nuts there alot.

https://imgur.com/a/ws19kqC

i also tried to keep all my ranges simple and easily memorable.
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:10 AM   #2
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Re: Advice on My Preflop Range Ideas I Come Up With

I think the main thing is that you are actually thinking about your game and putting some work in off the tables. Keep that up and you will improve.

As to the ranges I think you can open even tighter. In cash games with no ante stealing blinds is not as important as in mtt-s. I would throw out some of the unsuited middle gappers like T7o etc. Currently you are opening 47% from button which is quite loose still and calling 3bet 17% of hands. That means you are folding almost 2/3 of the time and are still exploitable by 3-beting light.

Also note that you are playing oop when opening in SB. So you want to use a tighter range here than on btn.

After you have played 10k hands or so you can check in your hud which ones you are still losing money on and throw them out.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:16 AM   #3
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I think the main thing is that you are actually thinking about your game and putting some work in off the tables. Keep that up and you will improve.

As to the ranges I think you can open even tighter. In cash games with no ante stealing blinds is not as important as in mtt-s. I would throw out some of the unsuited middle gappers like T7o etc. Currently you are opening 47% from button which is quite loose still and calling 3bet 17% of hands. That means you are folding almost 2/3 of the time and are still exploitable by 3-beting light.

Also note that you are playing oop when opening in SB. So you want to use a tighter range here than on btn.

After you have played 10k hands or so you can check in your hud which ones you are still losing money on and throw them out.
Cheers man really appreciate this advice and you taking time to reply, so tighten up ranges even more and play 10'000hands and see whats what.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:33 AM   #4
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Re: Advice on My Preflop Range Ideas I Come Up With

I'd say you're opening far too wide in most positions for a beginner.

Opening from the button and from the SB aren't the same at all. The button you can open really wide and print money especially at really low stakes because no one knows how to defend their blinds. This isn't true at all for the SB.

Try and concentrate on these situations and common adjustments to exploit villains as they are the situations that come up by far the most (from both POV)

BTN play vs CO open
BTN open vs blinds
SB & BB vs CO open (BTN fold)
SB & BB vs BTN open

SB vs BB is less important
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:45 AM   #5
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Re: Advice on My Preflop Range Ideas I Come Up With

I skimmed thru the text (you seem to have a reasonable idea about strategy) and focused on the charts. The one that really stood out was the BTN/SB chart. You've got way too much offsuit junk in there. A hand like 75s plays much better than J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, and it's only 4 combos, as opposed to 12 of each of the offsuit hands mentioned. I think it's more profitable to open 43s (and definitely Q7s) in preference to T7o on the button.
By removing some of the offsuit trash, and adding a handful of suited combos, your opening frequency will go down, but your EV will go up, because you'll connect better on more flops.

You can't go very wrong by playing the (tight-ish) ranges recommended on Snowie's pre-flop advisor: https://www.pokersnowie.com/preflop-advisor.html
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:37 PM   #6
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I'd say you're opening far too wide in most positions for a beginner.

Opening from the button and from the SB aren't the same at all. The button you can open really wide and print money especially at really low stakes because no one knows how to defend their blinds. This isn't true at all for the SB.

Try and concentrate on these situations and common adjustments to exploit villains as they are the situations that come up by far the most (from both POV)

BTN play vs CO open
BTN open vs blinds
SB & BB vs CO open (BTN fold)
SB & BB vs BTN open

SB vs BB is less important
cheers man will keep in mind so tighten sb, and focus on the below confrontations
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:39 PM   #7
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I skimmed thru the text (you seem to have a reasonable idea about strategy) and focused on the charts. The one that really stood out was the BTN/SB chart. You've got way too much offsuit junk in there. A hand like 75s plays much better than J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, and it's only 4 combos, as opposed to 12 of each of the offsuit hands mentioned. I think it's more profitable to open 43s (and definitely Q7s) in preference to T7o on the button.
By removing some of the offsuit trash, and adding a handful of suited combos, your opening frequency will go down, but your EV will go up, because you'll connect better on more flops.

You can't go very wrong by playing the (tight-ish) ranges recommended on Snowie's pre-flop advisor: https://www.pokersnowie.com/preflop-advisor.html
ok cheers man, thanks for the tips and the link ill check that out now
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