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5NL in a nutshell (96o > JJ) 5NL in a nutshell (96o > JJ)

08-19-2018 , 09:23 AM
Does this look suspicious at all? Raising 96o from the SB? Then calling my shove?

----- this is 5NL Zoom on Bovada, so the HD stats are not a true representation. But my HUD stats are mine and accurate for all of my hands recorded on DriveHUD

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BTN ($5) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($27.23) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 100% | Hands: 1]
BB ($5.39) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($4.54) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($5.05) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 19.6% | AGG: 32% | 3-Bet: 12.6% | Hands: 35884]
CO ($2.35) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: J J

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.15, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.59, BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.44

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.63 effective]
Flop ($1.23): 9 7 6
SB Bets $1.23 (Rem. Stack: 25.41), HERO Raises To $4.46 (allin), SB Calls $3.23 (Rem. Stack: 22.18)

Turn ($10.15): 9 7 6 A

River ($10.15): 9 7 6 A K

Spoiler:

SB shows: 9 6

SB wins: $9.65
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08-19-2018 , 09:59 AM
Sometimes people do crazy things, because they are bored, tilted, or they misclicked. This can happen at 2NL or 2000NL.
It's obviously unfortunate when bad play gets rewarded (in fact, it completely sucks when you're the victim), but it happens to everyone from time to time. One hand in isolation certainly isn't "suspicious".
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08-19-2018 , 10:28 AM
Kind of lol at posting up all the stats when you have one hand on the opposition, but congrats - you found the people having fun, don't spoil their fun
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08-19-2018 , 10:41 AM
Probably realises he can stack people when he hits the flop and they can't fold an overpair when they are basically never good here. Your shove here at 5nl is probably pretty bad and I don't get why villain wouldn't call your shove when he has two pair.
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08-19-2018 , 05:01 PM
Really suspicious he called with two pair. That implies you were trying to get him to fold a hand like two pair? In which case....
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08-21-2018 , 09:13 AM
Players spazz and decide to run multi-street bluffs. It is a thing. Sometimes they flop 2 pair. Usually, you will get a double up here. On Ignition, they are likely trying to profit vs overfolders who do not have the HUD stats to recognize the spazz. Just play your hands/ranges correctly, and let them spazz.

Last edited by robert_utk; 08-21-2018 at 09:14 AM. Reason: did I really type ‘spazz’ three times lol?
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08-21-2018 , 08:44 PM
Is shoving over a pot-sized c-bet from an out-of-position 3-better on a board that's wetter than Paris Hilton in a room full of billionaires with an overpair really standard in zoom? What better hands are going to 3-bet out of position 3 and then pot c-bet out of position AND THEN FOLD? What worse hands will do the same but call?

I guess with such a low SPR (it's only around 2) you're either shoving or folding.
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08-21-2018 , 08:46 PM
SPR is about 3.5, unless you mean after the bet but that's not really how we tend to use it.
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08-21-2018 , 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelvis
SPR is about 3.5, unless you mean after the bet but that's not really how we tend to use it.
I'm curious, why would you base your decision on the SPR before the bet vs. after it? I would think you would base your decision on how much is in the pot at the moment of the decision. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
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08-21-2018 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
I'm curious, why would you base your decision on the SPR before the bet vs. after it? I would think you would base your decision on how much is in the pot at the moment of the decision. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Pot is $1, I shove $100 and you cover. Is the SPR now 1?
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08-21-2018 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Pot is $1, I shove $100 and you cover. Is the SPR now 1?
Well, I would say yes, it is - I have $100 "behind" and there's $100 in the pot.

But if SPR is intended to be a measuring stick for pot commitment, we're clearly not commited to that pot.

I think a more interesting example would be if the pot was $50, you bet $100 and we both have $600 behind. Is the SPR $600/$50 (12) or $600/$150 (4)?

For me it feels a lot more like the latter, because when the SPR is 12 you can consider calling, folding or raising less than your stack, but when it's 4 you're pretty much tied to either folding or shoving.

Then again maybe I don't know anything.
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08-21-2018 , 09:38 PM
I mean it's an arbitrary measure so you can use it as you like but I've never seen anyone use it that way. You can say "If you call the SPR is going to be 2 on the turn", but saying the SPR has already decreased if there is a bet is new to me.
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08-21-2018 , 10:01 PM
OP loses with pckt jacks and creates a thread...2018 FTW
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08-22-2018 , 06:38 AM
Lol. If villain has QQ+ you don’t post thread. Try 4 betting a range that isn’t AKs, QQ+. I think the flop jam is meh. Nothing you want villain to have is calling.. I likely 4 bet pre here but as played definitely only flatting the flop then almost definitely folding on the Ad turn.
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