Hello,

So I'm playing 18-man Turbos (2x9 tables).

I have success at higher BBs and around 10BBs but I'm losing at 11-20.

I play 19/11 (4% 3bet) at higher BBs and 31/30 (15% 3bet) w/ 10BB and below.

I'm playing 24/20 (8% 3bet) in the 11-20 range. I'm not clear on my game plan here. It's hard to steal as people flat and 3bet a lot and it's hard to proceed post-flop. It is again hard to steal a flop and when I'm paid off it isn't for much as the stack sizes are low.

What should my plan be?

Thanks

Don't steal when you have an ideal stack for people to resteal against

Do you think I should tighten up?

How much?

I can't fold everything but premiums can I?

Even if I play AJ+ if I don't hit should I just check/fold?

Surely that can't be profitable.

Depending on the players behind, their stacks, their tendencies, my exact stack size, and ante size, I might make very different recommendations.

Think about the extreme scenarios and the way those factors affect opening range.

Sit back relax and take notes of players lines and how they react to other player's lines. Review your games and plug leaks.

Don't do much flatting at that stack depth. The solvers/spreadsheets show that it's profitable to 3-bet jam a super-wide range up to 25bb.
You obviously have to take consideration of ICM factors, but on the BTN, SB and BB when you're facing a raise you should often be 3b shipping very wide. You can't let people keep adding ~5% to their stacks with their minraise steals. "Shove it in his eye", as they say.

Thanks.

I tend to get to this stage with 9 left (4 paid) so ICM isn't a factor yet.

I'm thinking shoving stuff like mid-suited connectors/1 gapers that play well against big aces is a good move? I'm less enthused about shoving something like A3o which doesn't do well against calling ranges, though I suppose I should also be shoving them?

I will look for a spreadsheet on 3bet shoving unless you have a good one handy?

If you think ICM isn't a factor there you couldn't be more wrong

Could you explain?

We are so far from the money and in most cases need to have triple our current stack to get there.

It's easy to get blinded out as they are going up fast.

We're effectively at the stage where it's a one table STT with an extra payout spot. Pretty much the entirety of a standard STT has ICM implications, this is no different, it's not as severe as being on the actual bubble, but pretending it doesn't exist because we have a short but still perfectly workable stack is bad thinking

Okay thanks.

Something for me to think about.

Amazingly, the mediafire link to the Pushbot 4.2 Excel spreadsheet from 2010 is still working.

See post #1 at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...nk-you-824728/

Just from experimenting with that, you might be amazed at how wide you can resteal.
Newer tools from the training sites will have closer to optimal ranges. You can also use Holdem Resources Calculator or ICMizer to crunch the numbers. (You can use the latter in chipEV mode if you think the ICM factors are insignificant, although as sixfour mentioned, ICM is always a factor on a final table).

To some extent, hands like A3o are a bit better than suited connectors, because of the ace blocker. (You're less likely to get called, and you still have equity vs hands like TT). I don't play much these days, but I'm generally quite happy to 3-bet jam A5s or A4s when faced by a raise, but I tend to make the nit fold with hands like A6o or JTs, although the charts/sheets show they are usually +EV resteals. I don't resteal as often as the charts say because most of my opponents are braindead fools that happily call off 25bb with K6s or A7o. You don't want to jam light against stations, as you'll make more money by shoving "for value" with a bigger edge. You can really beat up the LAGs that minraise-fold the BTN at a high frequency though. To some extent, you can 'get away with' jamming ATC on the raise-folders.