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04-28-2015 , 09:48 PM
This has been the biggest pot I've won since playing zoom poker. Very proud of myself for some reason. Haven't had much success online in the past until now.

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36176401

    BTN: $33.69 (134.8 bb)
    SB: $20.08 (80.3 bb)
    BB: $84.25 (337 bb)
    UTG: $22.55 (90.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $28.75 (115 bb)
    CO: $40.96 (163.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 4 5
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.85) 3 K 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $2.41, Hero raises to $6.50, BTN calls $4.09

    Turn: ($17.85) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20 and is all-in, BTN calls $20

    River: ($57.85) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $57.85 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 3 K 6 9 Q
    BTN mucked A K and lost (-$28.75 net)
    Hero showed 4 5 and won $55.85 ($27.10 net)



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    04-28-2015 , 10:31 PM
    Pre is very loose, nh though.
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    04-28-2015 , 11:14 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by donkdonkpot
    I've played 600k hands since i've returned to poker. Mostly NL2-NL5 and don't want to step up higher until these things are tilting me. And they just heavily tilt me to be honest.
    Trash hand fishes are just getting there no matter what hands you have. I play solid, i've got leaks of course, but i play quite straightforward. I've got the biggest gap at 3bet pots, where i just suck. Will post some hands later on. Here is my graph. It shows that i ran above EV for a long time, but i just won my 80/20 etc situations. The last thousand hands where rough, because i lost most of them, even the 95% ones.
    Why are you tilting? You are break even at EV! Neutral luck in all-in spots. Your problem is in your head, not in the rng.

    If you go all-in with 80:20 odds you HAVE to lose 1 of every 5 times. If you win every time you go all-in as 80:20 favorite, you are being lucky. People are terrible at spotting good luck.
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    05-05-2015 , 12:27 PM
    one of the funniest hands ive seen in a while. they ran it twice bb won both times.


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36262691

      Hero (BTN): $14.27 (285.4 bb)
      SB: $6.30 (126 bb)
      BB: $10.61 (212.2 bb)
      UTG: $7.99 (159.8 bb)
      MP: $6.18 (123.6 bb)
      CO: $2.96 (59.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K T
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.40, BB raises to $1.35, Hero folds, SB raises to $6.30, BB calls $4.95

      Flop: ($12.75) 8 Q 5 (2 players)
      Turn: ($12.75) 7 (2 players)
      River: ($12.75) 9 (2 players)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $12.75 pot ($0.53 rake)
      Final Board: 8 Q 5 7 9
      SB showed 4 4 and lost (-$6.30 net)
      BB showed 2 6 and won $12.22 ($5.92 net)



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      This kind of thing just keeps happening. Just impossible to get any traction ever in zoom from the bad beats and coolers. I knew exactly what he had and was scared to raise because I know the river. 200k hands still not a single session not filled with lol bad beats and coolers.


        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36262841

        Hero (BTN): $8.81 (176.2 bb)
        SB: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
        BB: $5 (100 bb)
        UTG: $6.77 (135.4 bb)
        MP: $4.55 (91 bb)
        CO: $18 (360 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
        UTG raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO raises to $0.52, Hero calls $0.52, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.37

        Flop: ($1.63) 9 6 5 (3 players)
        UTG checks, CO bets $0.78, Hero calls $0.78, UTG folds

        Turn: ($3.19) K (2 players)
        CO bets $1.53, Hero raises to $3.50, CO raises to $13.56, Hero calls $4.01

        River: ($18.21) 7 (2 players)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $18.21 pot ($0.76 rake)
        Final Board: 9 6 5 K 7
        Hero showed K K and lost (-$8.81 net)
        CO showed A A and won $17.45 ($8.64 net)



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        Last edited by mirage01; 05-05-2015 at 12:48 PM.
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        05-05-2015 , 01:18 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by MrSpew
        apparently there is a glitch at zoom, where if you open shove exactly 100bb on your very first hand you will win no matter what calls you, not sure if you guys see regs doing it from time to time, not many people know of this, so keep it on the low so stars dont fix the glitch.
        This deserves an A. Would be A+ but this is BQ.
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        05-05-2015 , 05:32 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by mirage01

        This kind of thing just keeps happening. Just impossible to get any traction ever in zoom from the bad beats and coolers.
        You probably need to nit up.

        I played some micro zoom while messing with hotkeys. I dropped 5 buy ins in 550 hands. It was bedlam. Ran into Aces twice, and a lot of wasted barrelling guys who rivered a back door 6 high flush, runner runner trip 3s etc. It was the first time I'd really tilted in a while.
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        05-06-2015 , 02:40 AM
        Yeah, that's the hands I'm talking about. Love this fkers hitting with runner runner

        No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
        PokerStars
        6 players
        Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

        Stacks:
        UTG - UTG ($7.08)
        MP - MP ($5.20)
        CO - CO ($6.64)
        BTN - BTN ($5.21)
        SB - SB ($5.27)
        BB - Hero ($5.32)

        Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BB with A A
        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.47, BTN calls $0.37

        Flop: 9 6 9 ($0.96, 2 players)
        Hero bets $0.59, BTN calls $0.59

        Turn: J ($2.14, 2 players)
        Hero bets $1.33, BTN calls $1.33

        River: Q ($4.80, 2 players)
        Hero bets $2.93 (all-in), BTN calls $2.82 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $0.11 returned to Hero

        Total Pot: $10.44
        Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Nines)
        BTN shows T A (a flush, Ace high)

        BTN wins $10.01
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        05-06-2015 , 02:53 AM
        river a check , fold?
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        05-06-2015 , 03:10 AM
        I have a question regarding my HM2 HUD in zoom. Usually i just started HM2 and opened zoom tbls and then the HUD would show. Since yesterday no HUD shows up what can i do?
        And it works fine on reg tables.

        Last edited by i3budlight; 05-06-2015 at 03:24 AM.
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        05-06-2015 , 03:24 AM
        So, how would you play that hand guys? I was considering the turn xrai, but was afraid of him checking back. Actually i dont care that i lost a buyin. What tilts me that someone is just floating with total air and gets there this way.
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        05-06-2015 , 03:45 AM
        its played fine, stop being results orientated, your going to win the pot most of the time when he calls/folds and lose the pot some when he calls with better.
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        05-06-2015 , 07:17 AM
        Getting good at dodging the coolers.


          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36264531

          BTN: $6.30 (126 bb)
          SB: $6.42 (128.4 bb)
          BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
          UTG: $7.15 (143 bb)
          Hero (MP): $9.47 (189.4 bb)
          CO: $2.94 (58.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 7
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.10, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

          Flop: ($0.67) 2 7 A (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN checks

          Turn: ($0.67) J (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.45, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.75

          River: ($3.07) 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN checks

          Spoiler:
          Results: $3.07 pot ($0.13 rake)
          Final Board: 2 7 A J 8
          BTN showed J J and won $2.94 ($1.44 net)
          Hero showed 7 7 and lost (-$1.50 net)



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          05-06-2015 , 07:36 AM
          maybe if you focused less on avoiding coolers youd move past nl5?
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          05-06-2015 , 07:56 AM
          its all about avoiding coolers, otherwise your constantly just swapping them with regs. the small pots dont make up for the big pots you lose.
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          05-06-2015 , 08:05 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by mirage01
          its all about avoiding coolers, otherwise your constantly just swapping them with regs. the small pots dont make up for the big pots you lose.
          frequency*potsize = the impact it has on your winrate
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          05-06-2015 , 09:40 AM
          You can avoid 90% of coolers at 5NL by doing some basic hand reading instead of using a ouija board to define your opponent's range.
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          05-06-2015 , 09:50 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
          You can avoid 90% of coolers at 5NL by doing some basic hand reading instead of using a ouija board to define your opponent's range.
          rubbish. You cant get away from most of them unless you only play the nuts.

          What would you do here? just check to show down? muppet.


            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36264961

            Hero (BTN): $5.79 (115.8 bb)
            SB: $5 (100 bb)
            BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
            UTG: $5 (100 bb)
            MP: $6.22 (124.4 bb)
            CO: $3.29 (65.8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 9
            UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO folds, Hero calls $0.15, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

            Flop: ($1.40) 7 T 8 (3 players)
            SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.85, SB folds, MP calls $0.85

            Turn: ($3.10) 8 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $1.35, MP calls $1.35

            River: ($5.80) 5 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $3.14 and is all-in, MP calls $3.14

            Spoiler:
            Results: $12.08 pot ($0.50 rake)
            Final Board: 7 T 8 8 5
            Hero showed 8 9 and lost (-$5.79 net)
            MP showed A 8 and won $11.58 ($5.79 net)



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            05-06-2015 , 10:10 AM
            You seem like awful person.



            PS. You'll never get good with attitude like yours.
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            05-06-2015 , 10:42 AM
            Flop is a very very very clear check, rest is fine.
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            05-06-2015 , 10:48 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by MrSpew
            its played fine, stop being results orientated, your going to win the pot most of the time when he calls/folds and lose the pot some when he calls with better.
            Thx, for your advice. Yep, you're right, i'm result oriented which fact affects my play.
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            05-06-2015 , 10:49 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by mirage01
            rubbish. You cant get away from most of them unless you only play the nuts.

            What would you do here? just check to show down? muppet.


              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36264961

              Hero (BTN): $5.79 (115.8 bb)
              SB: $5 (100 bb)
              BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
              UTG: $5 (100 bb)
              MP: $6.22 (124.4 bb)
              CO: $3.29 (65.8 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 9
              UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, CO folds, Hero calls $0.15, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

              Flop: ($1.40) 7 T 8 (3 players)
              SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.85, SB folds, MP calls $0.85

              Turn: ($3.10) 8 (2 players)
              MP checks, Hero bets $1.35, MP calls $1.35

              River: ($5.80) 5 (2 players)
              MP checks, Hero bets $3.14 and is all-in, MP calls $3.14

              Spoiler:
              Results: $12.08 pot ($0.50 rake)
              Final Board: 7 T 8 8 5
              Hero showed 8 9 and lost (-$5.79 net)
              MP showed A 8 and won $11.58 ($5.79 net)



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              Can't be bothered to look at your post history but I havent seen you post ONE single post thats not how awful zoom is. Why not post and ask for how you can play a hand better, or do you think that you're playing optimally now? Heres a pro tip... if zoom sucks, dont play it simple as that.
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              05-06-2015 , 11:00 AM
              I've got one more hand which is pretty typical. What would you do?

              Only info here is his stacksize, didnt have any notes on him. I chose to flat here as he was utg. Would you call that down guys?

              No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
              PokerStars
              6 players
              Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

              Stacks:
              UTG - UTG ($4.11)
              MP - MP ($20.02)
              CO - CO ($5.02)
              BTN - Hero ($5.61)
              SB - SB ($8.88)
              BB - BB ($5.56)

              Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN with A Q
              UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.07

              Flop: A 7 2 ($0.38, 3 players)
              BB checks, UTG bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36, 1 fold

              Turn: T ($1.10, 2 players)
              UTG bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

              River: 5 ($3.20, 2 players)
              UTG bets $2.58 (all-in), Hero calls $2.58

              Spoiler:
              Total Pot: $8.36
              UTG shows A T (two pair, Aces and Tens)
              Hero shows A Q (a pair of Aces)

              UTG wins $8.01
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              05-06-2015 , 11:40 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Frozen_Starlight
              Can't be bothered to look at your post history but I havent seen you post ONE single post thats not how awful zoom is. Why not post and ask for how you can play a hand better, or do you think that you're playing optimally now? Heres a pro tip... if zoom sucks, dont play it simple as that.
              you are right i hate zoom with a passion but im playing it atm just for a personal challenge. I am not playing optimally but nobody does even close. the above hand is an easy fold , id even consider folding turn when these nits start pumping pot bets.
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              05-06-2015 , 12:08 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by donkdonkpot
              I've got one more hand which is pretty typical. What would you do?

              Only info here is his stacksize, didnt have any notes on him. I chose to flat here as he was utg. Would you call that down guys?

              No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05
              PokerStars
              6 players
              Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

              Stacks:
              UTG - UTG ($4.11)
              MP - MP ($20.02)
              CO - CO ($5.02)
              BTN - Hero ($5.61)
              SB - SB ($8.88)
              BB - BB ($5.56)

              Preflop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is BTN with A Q
              UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.07

              Flop: A 7 2 ($0.38, 3 players)
              BB checks, UTG bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36, 1 fold

              Turn: T ($1.10, 2 players)
              UTG bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

              River: 5 ($3.20, 2 players)
              UTG bets $2.58 (all-in), Hero calls $2.58

              Spoiler:
              Total Pot: $8.36
              UTG shows A T (two pair, Aces and Tens)
              Hero shows A Q (a pair of Aces)

              UTG wins $8.01
              Top pair is only worth 2 streets, whether betting or calling unless it's against a calling station and theres a likely missed draw. So I'd have folded the river, especially as he almost potted flop and turn and he raised utg.
              That's the whole problem with zoom though, playing unknowns. 30 hands in at a reg table, and you would have a lot better idea about villain.
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              05-06-2015 , 03:38 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by donkdonkpot
              Only info here is his stacksize, didnt have any notes on him. I chose to flat here as he was utg. Would you call that down guys?
              On a blank river, I call at that price (and AQo would be bottom of my calling range). When the flush draw gets there, AQ is much less likely to be good, as a bunch of villain's flop/turn semi-bluffs got there (flushes, I mean). AK with the K-flush blocker would possibly be bottom of my calling range on this runout, but I might only be calling with two pairs or better. In short, AQ is a fold this time, because villain's triple-barrel range is stronger, and you should have a few combos of flushes too, so one pair can be mucked.
              Pro-tip: Before contemplating a hero-call on the river, pause to think of some combos that villain would take this line with that you actually beat. Can you see him tripling AJo or 98s on this runout? I think it's highly unlikely, because he should be worried about flushes (and sets) himself.
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