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01-22-2013 , 07:15 PM
Think I missed out on value. Opinions?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15648431

    BTN: $4.75 (95 bb)
    SB: $15.08 (301.6 bb)
    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    UTG: $5.21 (104.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $7.48 (149.6 bb)
    CO: $10.35 (207 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 5
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.35) A J 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.75) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

    River: ($1.75) 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.75 pot ($0.20 rake)
    Final Board: A J 5 5 6
    SB mucked A Q and lost (-$2.35 net)
    Hero showed 5 5 and won $4.55 ($2.20 net)



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    I think it comes down to that flop bet - too small. If I had gone bigger there, I could have got probably another 10-15bb
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    01-22-2013 , 07:18 PM
    Bigger flop, bigger turn chad.

    Just had a casual 2k downswing in 1.4k hands, standard now I guess
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    01-22-2013 , 07:34 PM
    how much flop n turn you reckon Q6? And why the name change? And $2k downswing is :/ sorry to hear it
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    01-22-2013 , 07:37 PM
    I think flop turn and river are fine can't really start charging them POT every street when they have TP

    esp not if the board is pairing

    if the board would be paired and 3suited we could charge more because some FD might call 1 big bet but I think this is close to beeing too much

    Also TP might think we missed a FD if we bet river a bit bigger

    but can't really charge more than 4/5 pot soo it's fine


    *hmm though you could charge 1 bb more on flop which'll make you like 4-5bb more on the river
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    01-22-2013 , 08:00 PM
    25 on the flop, then 60-65 on the turn. Yeah it's only 10BI's anyway, i'll cruise out of it.
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    01-22-2013 , 08:25 PM
    20BI downswings are standard if I look at the EV++ calculator if your winrate is <10bb/100
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    01-22-2013 , 08:29 PM
    Guess this reg is trying to tell me that i 3 bet to much.

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (SB): $11.55 (115.5 bb)
      BB: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
      UTG: $13.74 (137.4 bb)
      MP: $12.10 (121 bb)
      CO: $10.80 (108 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.80, BB raises to $2, BTN folds, Hero raises to $11.55 and is all-in, BB calls $8.59 and is all-in

      Flop: ($21.43) 3 5 J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($21.43) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($21.43) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $21.43 pot ($0.96 rake)
      Final Board: 3 5 J K 9
      Hero showed J J and won $20.47 ($9.88 net)
      BB showed T J and lost (-$10.59 net)
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      01-22-2013 , 08:30 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Frostyice
      20BI downswings are standard if I look at the EV++ calculator if your winrate is <10bb/100
      Yeah I know, just not use to this kind of $$$ swings so felt bigger.
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      01-22-2013 , 08:35 PM
      It's always hard to get rid of the actual value of the $ you always need to think in terms of BB

      It's something I've wondered about for a while now

      You know why they use chips in casinos and not actual cash?

      Because the people are concerned once they see the cash and think about what they could have brought from it

      If they see chips it's "not real money"

      I wonder why there's no option to display bb instead of $ value

      probably because you wouldn't know what stakes you're playing at without

      but people would gamble more if it'd say 100big blinds instead of 200$ OMG THATS A NEW IPOD
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      01-22-2013 , 08:38 PM
      I'm with you on that point frosty.
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      01-22-2013 , 08:41 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Frostyice
      It's always hard to get rid of the actual value of the $ you always need to think in terms of BB

      It's something I've wondered about for a while now

      You know why they use chips in casinos and not actual cash?

      Because the people are concerned once they see the cash and think about what they could have brought from it

      If they see chips it's "not real money"

      I wonder why there's no option to display bb instead of $ value

      probably because you wouldn't know what stakes you're playing at without

      but people would gamble more if it'd say 100big blinds instead of 200$ OMG THATS A NEW IPOD
      There is a huge mental part of the game that cant really be taught, which is why some of the smartest people fail at this game or why they cant move past a certain limit, you need to divorce yourself from the money.
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      01-22-2013 , 08:42 PM
      Yeah i think they dont use BB because we don't want fish to know what a BB is really, and also because of gambling laws I don't think they are allowed to.
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      01-22-2013 , 08:44 PM
      Its hands like this that do my nut in. Do I just ignore hands like this or should I have checked down?

        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15648701

        BTN: $16.46 (329.2 bb)
        SB: $10.47 (209.4 bb)
        Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
        UTG: $10.33 (206.6 bb)
        MP: $6.21 (124.2 bb)
        CO: $9.10 (182 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 5
        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB folds, Hero calls $0.10

        Flop: ($0.32) 7 3 7 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $0.23, Hero calls $0.23

        Turn: ($0.78) 4 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: ($0.78) 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.45, BTN calls $0.45

        Spoiler:
        Results: $1.68 pot ($0.07 rake)
        Final Board: 7 3 7 4 9
        BTN showed 9 J and won $1.61 ($0.78 net)
        Hero showed 5 5 and lost (-$0.83 net)



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        01-22-2013 , 08:47 PM
        Pretty close on the river.
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        01-22-2013 , 08:48 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
        Yeah i think they dont use BB because we don't want fish to know what a BB is really, and also because of gambling laws I don't think they are allowed to.
        Think about it, they do in Tournaments

        And they like to gambol there too
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        01-22-2013 , 08:57 PM
        They have it in chips not in xbb though.
        And chad its villain specific but leading the river is probably fine if you float some non Ax otf.
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        01-22-2013 , 09:46 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
        Yeah I know, just not use to this kind of $$$ swings so felt bigger.
        My January swings at 200NL zoom have been pretty big. 6k down was biggest in like 8k hands.



        Bet with 55 looks fine.
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        01-22-2013 , 09:54 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by EasyMoney92
        My January swings at 200NL zoom have been pretty big. 6k down was biggest in like 8k hands.



        Bet with 55 looks fine.
        Ya swings can be sick at 200nl zoom, my biggest so far has been 1k (vomit)
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        01-22-2013 , 09:54 PM
        U have like a 50 k bankroll, ull be fine.
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        01-22-2013 , 10:03 PM
        @EasyMoney did you evaluate your hands? Happy with every play in that time?
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        01-22-2013 , 10:05 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Frostyice
        It's always hard to get rid of the actual value of the $ you always need to think in terms of BB

        It's something I've wondered about for a while now

        You know why they use chips in casinos and not actual cash?

        Because the people are concerned once they see the cash and think about what they could have brought from it

        If they see chips it's "not real money"

        I wonder why there's no option to display bb instead of $ value
        Do you really want fish to suddenly start to wonder why it is important to know stack sizes ?

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
        Yeah i think they dont use BB because we don't want fish to know what a BB is really, and also because of gambling laws I don't think they are allowed to.
        Also this, the regulators (certainly of pokerstars) have a requirement that they must display the money amount that is at stake.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Frostyice
        Think about it, they do in Tournaments

        And they like to gambol there too
        No

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
        They have it in chips not in xbb though.
        Yes
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        01-22-2013 , 10:28 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
        Do you really want fish to suddenly start to wonder why it is important to know stack sizes ?
        Lol what

        This is wrong on so many levels

        Even if they know that they have BB instead of $ or chips

        How does that make them concerned about stack size?

        Are you thinking along the lines of implied odds? That's pretty thin

        Your definition of fish seems to be awry

        It does not matter to them if it's chips or $ or BB



        Or you're implying that they suddenly become ICM masters just because they know how many bbs they have lol
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        01-22-2013 , 10:49 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by LosingShark
        U have like a 50 k bankroll, ull be fine.
        Guessing this isn't aimed at me, but if it is, then it's wildly inaccurate.

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Frostyice
        @EasyMoney did you evaluate your hands? Happy with every play in that time?
        No I did not actually. I knew there was an element in tilt in there so I definitely spewed away a few buy ins. I didn't feel the need to actually go and look through all hands in this losing period as I was pretty sure it was mainly run bad combined with choosing bad times to play sessions in the first place, and then trying to play epic rostucko sessions while getting tired all leading to additional losses through tilt.

        I've made very concious efforts since to start sessions when feeling fresh and in a concentrated environment. i.e. not chilling on the sofa watching tv and not when monged out from a previous all night rager.

        Back into reasonable profit for the month and happy with my play overall.



        Need to start running/playing better in mtts and in the 2p2 marketplace though, kinda eating into my profits over there, lol.
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        01-22-2013 , 10:53 PM
        obv at q6

        nice for you to drop by spacebat, fish wont wonder anything d/w they are fish
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        01-22-2013 , 11:33 PM
        Ok, makes sense knowing how much of a nit Q6 is (from his PG&C). lol
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