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12-28-2012 , 06:40 AM
At 2nl Zoom, I'm paying about 6bb/100 fwiw
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12-28-2012 , 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GutshotDan92
RE Rake:

How the hell do you guys pay so much in rake? At 10NL zoom (6max), over the last 18.5k hands, Ive payed only $109 in rake... How the hell do I pay significantly less rake than you guys??
The rake at Zoom is lower than Rush

Fulltilt Rake at 2/5/10NL is 6.7% with a 2$ cap
25NL+ is 5% rake with a 3$ cap


Pokerstars Rake at 2NL is 3.5%
5NL was 4.15%
10NL+ 4.5%

So the rake at Pokerstars at the micros is way lower than Fulltilt

If I would have played the 73k hands at PS I would have paid 203$ rake instead of 328$ and even without the rakeback I'd still have 15BI more than on fulltilt

Only reason to play there are the ton of bonus

Last edited by Frostyice; 12-28-2012 at 08:15 AM.
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12-28-2012 , 08:22 AM
+1 to Frosty's post.

I would bonus whore FTP's bonuses if FT were allowed here Stars is good enough though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by oop u mad
Is river shove fine? I don't see him folding 2p+, definitely not sets or a 5 at least. Am possibly owning myself if he shows up with 910, but not B/Fing anyhow.


UTG: $8.99 (179.8 bb)
MP: $5.42 (108.4 bb)
CO: $6.71 (134.2 bb)
BTN: $5.50 (110 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.72 (114.4 bb)
BB: $4.71 (94.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 7 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.45

River: ($2.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.47 and is all-in, BB calls $3.46 and is all-in
should be fine if he's a station. If it was me (the villian) I'd snap fold. wp.
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12-28-2012 , 10:20 AM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
Hero ($120)
UTG ($170)
UTG+1 ($178)
CO ($202)
BTN ($70.43)

Dealt to Hero 4 6

fold, fold, CO raises to $2, fold, fold, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $6

FLOP ($16.50) 8 6 3

Hero bets $9, CO calls $9

TURN ($34.50) 8 6 3 3

Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($34.50) 8 6 3 3 5

Hero checks, CO bets $56, Hero calls $56

Hero shows 4 6
(Pre 37%, Flop 64.0%, Turn 77.3%)

CO shows 9 T
(Pre 63%, Flop 36.0%, Turn 22.7%)

Hero wins $143


easy game
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12-28-2012 , 11:09 AM
Realising how bad I am at poker recently, need to do some serious study.
Still people like this reg make sure I can still make moolah;


PokerStars - $1 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $99.00
SB: $56.53
BB: $18.66
UTG: $187.35
Hero (MP): $126.35
CO: $122.97

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to $3.00, CO calls $3.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players) Q 6 3
Hero bets $6.00, CO calls $6.00

Turn: ($19.50, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $13.50, CO calls $13.50

River: ($46.50, 2 players) J
Hero bets $31.00, CO raises to $67.00, Hero raises to $103.85 and is all-in, CO calls $33.47 and is all-in

Hero shows Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Sixes) (Pre 18%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
CO mucks A A (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 82%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $244.64
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12-28-2012 , 12:32 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($49)
BB ($192)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($72.76)
Hero ($105)

Dealt to Hero Q J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $5, BB calls $4, Hero calls $3

FLOP ($15) J J 8

SB bets $10, BB calls $10, Hero calls $10

TURN ($45) J J 8 8

SB checks, BB bets $34, Hero calls $34, SB folds

RIVER ($113) J J 8 8 T

BB checks, Hero bets $56.50 (AI), BB calls $56.50

Hero shows Q J
(Pre 65%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 97.7%)

BB shows 8 7
(Pre 35%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero wins $223

lolwhat
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12-28-2012 , 01:04 PM
Queen6, HU4H why not post some hands where things were trickier?
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12-28-2012 , 01:05 PM
"I haz boat" or something similar
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12-28-2012 , 02:57 PM
If you're bad at poker I fear for the rest of us! I know you don't like to go into detail but what exactly made you realise this?
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12-28-2012 , 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chad0x001
Queen6, HU4H why not post some hands where things were trickier?
They prob do that in their skype group. Not much point asking worse players for advice
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12-28-2012 , 04:56 PM
know when to hold'em

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($2.96)
SB ($3.08)
BB ($4.51)
UTG ($7.51)
MP ($2.55)
Hero (CO) ($5.66)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A
1 fold, MP bets $0.15, Hero raises $0.45, 3 folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.97) Q, 10, J (2 players)
1 fold

Total pot: $0.97

Results:
Hero had K, A.
Outcome: Hero won $0.93


know when to fold'em
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12-28-2012 , 05:16 PM
he obv had a read on you that you only 3b AKdd
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12-28-2012 , 06:40 PM
[ X ] Shot take with 2 tables
[ x ] Tripple barrel bluff then open up 2 more tables
[ x ] Fps and spew
[ ] Quit poker till next year

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $25 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $28.15 (112.6 bb)
    BB: $35.50 (142 bb)
    UTG: $34 (136 bb)
    MP: $36.21 (144.8 bb)
    CO: $26.72 (106.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 8
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2.25, BB folds, BTN calls $1.65

    Flop: ($4.75) 6 A 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

    Turn: ($9.75) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

    River: ($19.75) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $18.40 and is all-in, BTN calls $15.25 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $50.25 pot ($2.00 rake)
    Final Board: 6 A 8 4 K
    BTN showed A A and won $48.25 ($23.25 net)
    Hero showed 5 8 and won $0.00 (-$25 net)


      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $35.58 (142.3 bb)
      Hero (SB): $27.80 (111.2 bb)
      BB: $68.89 (275.6 bb)
      UTG: $39.90 (159.6 bb)
      MP: $14.63 (58.5 bb)
      CO: $11.11 (44.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 8
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.62, Hero calls $0.52, BB folds

      Flop: ($1.49) 6 Q J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($1.49) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

      River: ($3.99) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $2.25, Hero raises to $7.75, BTN folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $8.49 pot ($0.38 rake)
      Final Board: 6 Q J 5 A
      BTN mucked and lost (-$4.12 net)
      Hero mucked 8 8 and won $8.11 ($3.99 net)



        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BTN: $12.50 (50 bb)
        SB: $24.21 (96.8 bb)
        BB: $27.71 (110.8 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $25.92 (103.7 bb)
        MP: $26.85 (107.4 bb)
        CO: $31.35 (125.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3 3
        Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($2.35) 4 Q 2 (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BTN folds, BB calls $1.50

        Turn: ($5.35) 6 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB raises to $7, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $12.35 pot ($0.56 rake)
        Final Board: 4 Q 2 6
        BB mucked and won $11.79 ($6.04 net)
        Hero mucked 3 3 and lost (-$5.75 net)



          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          BTN: $29.26 (117 bb)
          Hero (SB): $25.10 (100.4 bb)
          BB: $10.71 (42.8 bb)
          UTG: $71.89 (287.6 bb)
          MP: $18.77 (75.1 bb)
          CO: $67.04 (268.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with K T
          3 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, BTN calls $1.75

          Flop: ($5.25) K Q 9 (2 players)
          Hero bets $2.75, BTN raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.75

          Turn: ($16.25) 7 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero raises to $17.10 and is all-in, BTN folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $32.25 pot ($1.45 rake)
          Final Board: K Q 9 7
          BTN mucked and lost (-$16 net)
          Hero mucked K T and won $30.80 ($14.80 net)
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          12-28-2012 , 06:44 PM
          Just completed my own little goal to play 100k hands at 5nl Zoom/Rush. Pretty happy with results although I was 8.5bb/100 at around 85k hands before hitting a downswing. Learnt a ton along the way, fixed a ton of leaks and am looking forward to moving up.

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          12-28-2012 , 06:46 PM
          Im not suggesting anyone here would have anything interesting to contribute, Im asking them to post a tricky hand and then maybe talk about it. Or not. Maybe just post it, lets have a look, see what they did in a tricky spot. See if we would have done the same.
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          12-28-2012 , 06:55 PM
          heres a tricky spot otr

          Grabbed by Holdem Manager
          NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
          SB ($97.10)
          BB ($104)
          UTG ($100)
          Hero ($352)
          CO ($154)
          BTN ($100)

          Dealt to Hero K A

          fold, Hero raises to $2.50, CO raises to $7, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.50

          FLOP ($15.50) J Q 7

          Hero checks, CO bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

          TURN ($32.50) J Q 7 A

          Hero checks, CO bets $24, Hero calls $24

          RIVER ($80.50) J Q 7 A 3

          Hero checks, CO bets all in

          who's a hero and who's not?
          standard TAG that i don't know much about
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          12-28-2012 , 06:59 PM
          any info on the villain as to why we flatted pre?
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          12-28-2012 , 07:02 PM
          20/17, has a 3% 3bet so far (100 hands) and also positions im going to get owned all the time if i stack off pre
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          12-28-2012 , 07:14 PM
          Fold, not like you do t have a load of better hands to call.
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          12-28-2012 , 07:19 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by AndyM2033
          If you're bad at poker I fear for the rest of us! I know you don't like to go into detail but what exactly made you realise this?
          majority of regs at 100nl knows that Q6s is in the bottom 25% of regs at 100nl
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          12-28-2012 , 07:20 PM
          We have a bluff catcher.
          /Villains shoes. Shoving AK here can't be great for value, don't think we could get called from much worse deep. One positive is that we can possible push hero off a chop. Think id still take my sd value. Villains range looks weak.

          Villains Possible range. Sets (AA, maybe one or two combos of jj, tt ) KT ,89s, t9s, kqs, kk, Aqo. Obviously some assumptions made here.

          Whats our range looking like? Aqs, AK (maybe). (edit) changed my mind - i have jj, qq though id raise half of those on the turn.

          Aqs + would be my calling range -

          Edit 2: - If we are not putting in Ak pre i think Im flatting AA pre a good amount of the time. So i think i could pitch this. Though if i had 20s to make a decision i just might not lol.

          Crying fold for me- give him credit but id really want to call lol.

          Last edited by Micro Zoom Addict; 12-28-2012 at 07:30 PM. Reason: Caz im still thinking.
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          12-28-2012 , 07:21 PM
          Are you top 10 burns?
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          12-28-2012 , 07:50 PM
          Burns top 10? Man sucks at value betting :P
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          12-28-2012 , 07:53 PM
          I obviously dont know regs at 100nl but I'd consider they think about ranges and think about what they're doing rather than blindly barrelling. So with that in mind here's my musings:

          Considering our positions, our range should be fairly strong, and will look strong to villain when we flat the 3bet oop. Something like 99-AA, AQs, KQs, KJs, AKs maybe, not sure if he'd have AKo in our range as that's normally a 4bet or fold i guess? I don't think we're deep enough to setmine but depends on villain's thoughts if he keeps lower PPs in your range.

          So, his 3bet range should be polarised against an unknown TAG (?) so something like TT+, KQ+ and then some speculative hands like 67s, maybe some low PPs.

          Flop is standard cbet with all his range. This will only fold out the bottom of our range, like 99-TT and we'll likely call the rest, maybe fold AK (or obviously not). We're unlikely to raise sets otf as really unbalances our range, unless we also do this with AK and other draws, but that's setting money on fire imo.

          Turn, villain can decide to barrel again with his entire range to get us off the KQ, KJ type hands and rep AK, AQ and sets himself, which makes it hard for us to continue with anything less. Our only option here as we called the flop is to call. Keeps our range wide anyway as we can still have sets and 2P, but if we raise we are up **** creek if he shoves.

          River, pot is large and so villain may almost feel committed to shoving to apply max pressure with his entire range as we've shown such passivity. We can still have sets and 2P, but so can he. His river shove is surprising for value (dunno what 100nl dynamics are), and as we have an Ace he's less likely to have one, and so his hand looks to be sets or air as he may just checkback KQ type hands.

          He'll have a fair few air combos and it's hard to flop a set right?! Could be a call, but it's a big one
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          12-28-2012 , 08:57 PM
          @HU

          From a generous donor's perspective at 5nl, I think you might be beat here, just seeing the river bet, but then we have to take into account the half pot bet OTF. And the bigger pot bet OTT, seems as if he hit the A as well. I'm putting him on aces up, two pair, I'd fold in this position. Feels like AJ, but A7 could be possible as well
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