H1 - Meh, we are flipping at best here so often. JJ and AK is a fold, QQ is closer but meh.

H2 - Once the BB flats the 3bet I am 4betting here, as played bet turn 100% and then re evaluate river once they act.

2x checks on flop, i felt like protecting my hand so i bet the pot. Is calling here -/+ EV?

Depends on their stats, if they look like ****** fish I'm shipping

if they look anything near tag I'm folding

What hands that raise the flop do we beat?

AQ? but why would AQ go nuts and shove over a bet and a call

even FD are better off calling getting 3:1



Meh since MP3 is short and looks like a fish with 81bb I'm shipping this

MP2 is probably looking for a FD while MP3 has a set or random Ax

Its 2NL, Id expect to see AQ/AJ, straight draws and flush draws enough that im not folding this in multiway 3bet pot after putting in that much.

Also 3bet a lot lot bigger. 0.32-0.38 Id say would be better.

16-19bb pre with A high? Hmm not sure, if we do we can't cbet flop because if we bet flop we have to ship it all the time

it's like cold-4betting we can't really get away from it and I don't think they're going to call AQ or worse alot if we bet so much

Not much stats since i started zoom yesterday.
I was really worried about set there and almost folded. If i would have had a set instead of AK, i would have played it in a same way.
Good that i didn't since this + few other hands, and i doubled my bankroll in just few minutes.

It doesn't matter if we have A high, AA or 89o, the 3bet size should be the same if we 3bet value or bluffs. A 4x open + a call we should be making it around 16bbs min IMO.

Its nothing like 4betting because its a 3bet and people will still call worse 100%. Even when they call with PPs trying to set mine (yes they will) we can cbet certain flops and they will fold and we can chk back some flops.

^Agree with this - our iso 3bet should be at least 32c imo, could even go bigger to squeeze out the big stack and get HU with the fish

100% getting all-in with TPTK in 3bet pot - fish villains at 2nl can have any old crap here, if he has a set, nh, play on, but we can't play with MUBS all the time

I think except for the raise size pre, OP plays this hand absolutely standard

I heard about 3x for value IP but 4x as 3bet pre is a little overkill

It has to be for value

And it is not for value against any PP because we're behind and we have to improve and if we make it 16-18bb pre it's 32-36bb on the flop, if we bet something like 16 we have 66 behind while the pot is 64 and we are commited

Unless you have a read that he's calling 18bb preflop OOP with AQ AND worse it's a bluff?

I actually wouldn't mind calling this as we're getting value from Ax hands if we hit our A and value from Kx hands if we hit our K also giving us a chance to float IP and stab at Jx or Qx boards where the small pairs won't feel comfortable calling OOP and we still have decent equity.

I don't see the advantage of 3betting this really unless they're getting it in on Axx boards or they are short/fishy like MP3

I like the 3bet against short players

But I prefer a smaller size so they can mindlessly ship their worse aces or call with their worse hands&stack off on Kxx or Axx and I can safely fold when they ship the Qxx or Jxx board

sqz with AK is totally standard lol 32c is fine.


Its a bet for value aswell btw, not for protection.

AK is a drawing hand

doesn't matter though because every hand played is 50/50

I don't mind 3betting this but I don't like the suggested size of 16-18bb

Can you explain why this almost 4bet size is so much better?

lol that's brilliant mick

think i would usually make it about 13/14bb's stakes i play. but its 2nl, just exploit the fact they will be calling too much. exploiting is key.

it isnt that big of a problem anyway

Because if we make it small, like he did we are getting flatted twice. The pots going to be pretty much the same size 3 way if he makes it 20c as it is heads up if we make it 32c, and I would rather play heads up.

I dont agree that its going to cost us 32-36bbs on the flop either, thats a pot sized bet. I generally make it around half pot in a 3bet pots, even smaller depending on board textures etc.

Hm? Andy the flop is going to be 32-36bb if you make it 16-18bb pre

And I suggested 1/2 psb or 16bb but then we will have 66bb behind and 64 in the pot on the turn so we can only bluff a limited amount

Also just tried the suggestion

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $9.39
UTG: $4.05
MP: $6.05
CO: $2.28
BTN: $9.61
Hero (SB): $15.74

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A A
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.65) 9 J 4 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.22, UTG folds, MP raises to $5.15 all in, BTN folds, Hero calls $3.93

Turn: ($13.95) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($13.95) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $13.95
MP shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Fours)
Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Fours)
MP wins $13.02
(Rake: $0.93)

vil 20/13 kind of passive 2.2

Guess shipping is fine because of the size of the pot though

Still had a feeling that all of them are merely out to setmine and going to ship only sets still not going to fold fine right

Fine to me. Your size, which i like, may induce them to spaz a bit.

anything but that sizing is less than optimal...

New years resolution - play more poker when there are more fishes. Didn't do that enough this year.

H1. No idea what he is thinking here.



H2. I told myself i would bet fold. Why can't i do it



H3. Not sure what i think of my turn play. Just have an opinion that turn leads are bluff heavy

Frosty I don't understand your small donk flop bet multi-way, may aswell go for pot/near pot size for fat value in most situations.

What'd you mean donk bet? I 3bet preflop and bet 1/3 to induce spazz

We had this discussion about shipping in 4bet pots some time ago here (500posts or smth?) you might want to read up

I guess so, you might want to calm down tho.

It isnt a donk bet. Frosty had the lead pre flop. He 3bet, they called.

If you look at how many BB's are in the pot on the flop, and how many BB are left in his stack after he bets small on the flop, it all makes sense.

Seemed like he was pretty calm to me. Is pretty frustrating getting horrible advice though.