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Pretty much experience. People tend to do crazy stuff sometimes but generally people will realise their hand isn't that strong here with 4 to straight on the board so if they are value betting not usually going to be an overbet. Also assume people don't bluff untill you see them bluffing or have stats that prove otherwise

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12-21-2012 , 05:04 PM

#8154

OppositeAttract

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^^^ This unless you have reads that show otherwise and yeah aggression is rewarded but only if applied correctly.

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12-21-2012 , 06:33 PM

#8155

Fishtankz

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Terrible call here or terrible shove? I thought shoving the turn might make him fold.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15085691

BTN: $2 (100 bb)
SB: $4.34 (217 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $1.23 (61.5 bb)
UTG+2: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
MP1: $1.48 (74 bb)
Hero (MP2): $2.69 (134.5 bb)
MP3: $3.01 (150.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.37) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.81) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $0.77, Hero raises to $2.29 and is all-in, BB calls $0.83 and is all-in

River: ($4.01) K

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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12-21-2012 , 06:49 PM

#8156

Palikari

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Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $14.82 (296.4 bb)
UTG: $18.13 (362.6 bb)
MP: $5.61 (112.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $5.09 (101.8 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)
SB: $7.09 (141.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with X X
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.53, Hero calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.08) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $5.28, Hero calls $2.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:

I haven't played poker since August. Feel very rusty.

Never played much zoom or rush.

I have no HUD because HEM1 currently doesn't work on FTP Rush

When I play rush I have the feeling I'm between two crazy types of villains. The guys that only play for the nuts and then very aggressive players (usually with big stacks like this guy)

Did I play this hand right?
With what range is a call here ok?
How do I f'n exploit a player like this?

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12-21-2012 , 06:50 PM

#8157

iCanucks88

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishtankz

Terrible call here or terrible shove? I thought shoving the turn might make him fold.

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.37) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.81) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $0.77, Hero raises to $2.29 and is all-in, BB calls $0.83 and is all-in

River: ($4.01) K

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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Bad shove, villain is pretty committed to not call off and with a 3bet pre, his hand would beating yours most of the time

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12-21-2012 , 07:03 PM

#8158

TheDefiniteArticle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Palikari

(2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $5.28, Hero calls $2.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:

I haven't played poker since August. Feel very rusty.

Never played much zoom or rush.

I have no HUD because HEM1 currently doesn't work on FTP Rush

Start by 4betting pre without a read that he's going to barrel off a good proportion of the time. This also balances our 4betting range but that doesn't matter at this stake.

Exploit him by attacking when the board doesn't help his hand range much, taking marginal hands further and slowplaying big hands. Once again, this will leave you horrendously unbalanced but it'll be fine.

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12-21-2012 , 07:34 PM

#8159

Frostyice

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Mhmm I got the DMI Bonus Offer after I cleared my Iron Man Mid Year from FTP

Now how do I get 50$ rake/day in the next 20 days uhh

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12-21-2012 , 09:27 PM

#8160

Micro Zoom Addict

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Palikari

(2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.28) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $5.28, Hero calls $2.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:

I haven't played poker since August. Feel very rusty.

Never played much zoom or rush.

I have no HUD because HEM1 currently doesn't work on FTP Rush

When I play rush I have the feeling I'm between two crazy types of villains. The guys that only play for the nuts and then very aggressive players (usually with big stacks like this guy)

Did I play this hand right? Depends what you have and what you think he has.
With what range is a call here ok? AT+, i like to call

How do I f'n exploit a player like this? Vs aggressive players ill 4 bet bluff to see how they adjust. Flat a heavier value range so i can take there barrels.

Thats what id do.

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12-21-2012 , 09:28 PM

#8161

AndyM2033

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I really miss PTR, didn't use it much when it was around and now I know how vital it could have been at times. Its good for the game its not here though.

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12-21-2012 , 09:31 PM

#8162

Micro Zoom Addict

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostyice

Mhmm I got the DMI Bonus Offer after I cleared my Iron Man Mid Year from FTP

Now how do I get 50$ rake/day in the next 20 days uhh

No need to get the maxium imo. Just put in some decent hours before going out and enjoying the holiday period. i cleared about 20% of my DMI bonus, just couldn't be bothered playing rush 10 hours a day. Not enjoyable.

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12-22-2012 , 06:20 AM

#8163

chad0x001

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open JJ UTG, CO raise to 12bb, is it too nitty to fold? I did, but I felt dirty.

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12-22-2012 , 06:30 AM

#8164

Micro Zoom Addict

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I fold till i have more info , heck ill even fold qq.

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12-22-2012 , 06:49 AM

#8165

Burnss

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regs are funny

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15086761

BTN: $158.99 (159 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $385.36 (385.4 bb)
MP: $48.20 (48.2 bb)
CO: $103.73 (103.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero raises to $19, BB calls $10

Flop: ($38) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BB raises to $25, Hero raises to $37.50, BB calls $12.50

Turn: ($113) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $45 and is all-in, Hero calls $43.50 and is all-in

River: ($200) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $200 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2

Hero showed A

and won $197.20 ($97.20 net)
BB showed 7

and lost (-$100 net)

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12-22-2012 , 07:03 AM

#8166

Micro Zoom Addict

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Dude has to be on some sort of tilt.

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12-22-2012 , 07:05 AM

#8167

chiego

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lol whatafvsda

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12-22-2012 , 08:11 AM

#8168

Dunna100

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Think he's away skiing isn't he?

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12-22-2012 , 08:13 AM

#8169

Burnss

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he got back today. nvm just realised some of that winrate was HU. so doesnt count.

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12-22-2012 , 10:08 AM

#8170

Fishtankz

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Standard?

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15090311

BTN: $2 (100 bb)
SB: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
BB: $4.28 (214 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): $2.46 (123 bb)
UTG+2: $1.09 (54.5 bb)
MP1: $1.17 (58.5 bb)
MP2: $1 (50 bb)
MP3: $4.55 (227.5 bb)
CO: $1.81 (90.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.08, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, MP3 raises to $0.60, Hero folds

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I kinda hate this hand. Is it impossible to make set miners fold here? I tried to work on my bluffing on the flop, rationally i should have folded to 2bet since i had no equity at all.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15092881

BTN: $1 (50 bb)
SB: $4.19 (209.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $1.17 (58.5 bb)
UTG+1: $2.46 (123 bb)
UTG+2: $1.24 (62 bb)
MP1: $2.52 (126 bb)
MP2: $3.58 (179 bb)
MP3: $3.14 (157 bb)
CO: $1.37 (68.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

7 folds, SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, SB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $0.92, SB raises to $2.47, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($2.34) K

(2 players)
River: ($2.34) K

(2 players)

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Fold here? I want to go Hellmuth about the hand he called PFR with but my mistake i guess.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15097681

Hero (BTN): $2.17 (108.5 bb)
SB: $0.91 (45.5 bb)
BB: $1.41 (70.5 bb)
UTG+1: $3.36 (168 bb)
UTG+2: $4.14 (207 bb)
MP1: $2.43 (121.5 bb)
MP2: $9.73 (486.5 bb)
MP3: $7.46 (373 bb)
CO: $2.45 (122.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3

6 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.24) A

(3 players)
SB bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.48) 3

(3 players)
SB bets $0.14, BB calls $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.90) 7

(3 players)
SB bets $0.61 and is all-in, BB calls $0.61, Hero calls $0.61

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12-22-2012 , 10:41 AM

#8171

BornToRun

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Pretty much do everything differently

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12-22-2012 , 10:48 AM

#8172

gamma001

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H1 - OOP I'm folding readless, Ip I mighr call one street planning to fold if he contineous being aggro
H2 - i'm not quite sure what your trying to do here? Your bluffing at 2NL wher no one folds. Its not even a semi bluff you since you don't have a spade. This is just spew.
H3 - Not to sure what I do readless. It depends if both players are fishy.

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12-22-2012 , 11:07 AM

#8173

Fishtankz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma001

H2 - i'm not quite sure what your trying to do here? Your bluffing at 2NL wher no one folds. Its not even a semi bluff you since you don't have a spade. This is just spew.

Yeah, i need to stop it. Allthough i hate the mentality, its the key to be a winning player at 2nl.

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12-22-2012 , 12:43 PM

#8174

Thalo

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 172

Shocking introduction to 5NL Zoom. Down 5 BIs, 4.5 BIs under EV...

Couple of hands I'm unsure of on review.
lol sample size or +EV play?
PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $7.80
Hero (SB): $11.90
BB: $5.07 16 Hands, VP 31, PFR 31, 3B% 17.
UTG: $2.50
MP: $4.98
CO: $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q

UTG raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.65, BB raises to $5.07 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $4.42

Flop: ($10.34, 2 players) 2

Turn: ($10.34, 2 players) 7

River: ($10.34, 2 players) 9

Can I V bet river here?
PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $10.56
SB: $6.35 20 Hands, VP 21, PFR 16, 3B% 27.
BB: $11.68 27 Hands, VP 37, PFR 36, 3B% 8.
UTG: $7.35
MP: $5.00
CO: $6.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35, 3 players) 5

SB bets $0.70, BB calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.45, 3 players) 3

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45, 3 players) 4

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

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12-22-2012 , 12:50 PM

#8175

gamma001

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VB turn and depending on what happens you may be able to bet riv too.
When you checked the turn you have to bet the river. What do you expect them to have that beats you? Hes never checking turn and riv w AA/KK and 6x is unlikely to be in any one of their ranges since its a 3bet pot(and the fact riv checked through).

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