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09-15-2012 , 08:50 PM
chad try to figure out what they are thinking, don't let it burnss just tell you straight away

Is that really a crusher? Wouldn't he 4bet his bluffs OOP and never flat OOP? How would he balance his Donking range on the flop? How would his turn donk range look like? The lines look super-duper-weak-player style, call 3bet OOP donk flop donk turn



On the turn he's repping JJJ44 but that's just so unlikely, he can't have QQ++ either because it would probably 4bet, or play differently postflop

AJ should've folded preflop or the flop so that's out of the window too

So he can't really have anything once he ships it, he has a polarized range with a ton of bluffs (he's only doing this with value with JJJ44 and 55544 maybe but 55544 is unlikely because we have a 5, he would probably check behind his showdown value hands on the flop/turn)

So with our medium strength hands we need to figure out the ratio of bluffs/value, and since there are so few value hands that would donk/call/donk/ship his range mainly consists of bluffs and we can profitably call with any medium strength hand

I guess this hand is a nice example how you can imbalance your lines

Last edited by Frostyice; 09-15-2012 at 08:55 PM.
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09-15-2012 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Frostyice
chad try to figure out what they are thinking, don't let it burnss just tell you straight away

Is that really a crusher? Wouldn't he 4bet his bluffs OOP and never flat OOP? How would he balance his Donking range on the flop? How would his turn donk range look like? The lines look super-duper-weak-player style, call 3bet OOP donk flop donk turn



On the turn he's repping JJJ44 but that's just so unlikely, he can't have QQ++ either because it would probably 4bet, or play differently postflop

AJ should've folded preflop or the flop so that's out of the window too

So he can't really have anything once he ships it, he has a polarized range with a ton of bluffs (he's only doing this with value with JJJ44 and 55544 maybe but 55544 is unlikely because we have a 5, he would probably check behind his showdown value hands on the flop/turn)

So with our medium strength hands we need to figure out the ratio of bluffs/value, and since there are so few value hands that would donk/call/donk/ship his range mainly consists of bluffs and we can profitably call with any medium strength hand

I guess this hand is a nice example how you can imbalance your lines
impressive! what he said really.

actually just raised flop cause i think its just easier to play that way/semi-bluffin against ******o pp's which have to fold eventually in the hand cause i can rep QQ+ pretty well and he cant.

its a bit gay when he has Jx + FD but fk him.

Last edited by Burnss; 09-15-2012 at 09:36 PM. Reason: triple range merge is essentially what im doing
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09-15-2012 , 09:44 PM
But how'd a Jx + FD end up on the turn? Wouldn't Jx FD usually ship flop for FE+Overs+FD?

And wouldn't most Jx hand fold pre? Maybe JJ but since a J peels on the turn it's even more unlikely (and I'm not sure why he'd donk JJ on the flop when he has SDV)
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09-15-2012 , 09:54 PM
well the hand he shows up with shows hes ******o soooooo wouldnt rule out Jx+FD.
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09-16-2012 , 01:14 AM
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    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13936812

    Hero (BTN): $300.02 (150 bb)
    SB: $30.50 (15.3 bb)
    BB: $184.60 (92.3 bb)
    UTG: $575.07 (287.5 bb)
    MP: $236.31 (118.2 bb)
    CO: $357.45 (178.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 7
    2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, CO calls $8

    Flop: ($27) 4 5 4 (2 players)
    CO bets $10, Hero raises to $35, CO calls $25

    Turn: ($97) J (2 players)
    CO bets $32, Hero raises to $67, CO raises to $310.45 and is all-in, Hero calls $186.02 and is all-in

    River: ($603.04) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Results: $603.04 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 4 5 4 J 3
    Hero showed 5 7 and won $600.24 ($300.22 net)
    CO showed T K and won $0.00 (-$300.02 net)



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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
    I'm assuming CO was a crusher?
    Im curious, why do u assume CO is a crusher?
    Does he really assume hero to min raise.fold on turn when he has K high or is he like balacing for when he has a better hand? i dont understand how CO losing 150 BB with a **** hand is justifiable.. I think it was a bad shove with KT diamonds.. what he can put hero on for min raising turn and folding? what does that?..

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    09-16-2012 , 01:21 AM
    Just had a nice Russian lad donate me 3 stacks with ******ed plays. I'm in love with them.
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    09-16-2012 , 03:40 AM
    Will start posting here a bit as well. Any advice for zoom? Gonna move from 50nl normal to 50nl zoom i guess.
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    09-16-2012 , 03:47 AM
    Can't use reads/dynamics much on Zoom.

    If i was you I'd play a few K hands at 10-25nl to get in the swing of things
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    09-16-2012 , 04:05 AM
    woooow i have utg as a solid reg and this is the kind of **** he pulls?
    ****ing reads can be so useless sometimes

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13937102

      BTN: $24.13 (241.3 bb)
      SB: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
      BB: $9.81 (98.1 bb)
      UTG: $10 (100 bb)
      MP: $10.66 (106.6 bb)
      Hero (CO): $25.82 (258.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 2
      UTG raises to $0.40, MP folds, Hero calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB folds, BB raises to $1.90, UTG calls $1.50, Hero folds, BTN raises to $24.13 and is all-in, BB calls $7.91 and is all-in, UTG calls $8.10 and is all-in

      Flop: ($30.26) T 2 3 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
      Turn: ($30.26) 7 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
      River: ($30.26) 8 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $30.26 pot ($1.36 rake)
      Final Board: T 2 3 7 8
      BTN mucked K K and won $0.00 (-$10.00 net)
      BB mucked Q Q and lost (-$9.81 net)
      UTG showed 3 3 and won $28.90 ($18.90 net)



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      09-16-2012 , 04:13 AM
      He might be on tilt. I make some ******ed plays at times, done similar to that. My standard is folding pre almost always.
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      09-16-2012 , 04:14 AM
      UTG soul read the RNG shuffler. Can't get much more solid than that!
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      09-16-2012 , 04:55 AM
      lawl.. i find alot of regs at 10nl arent really that good the more i play with them..

      took some shots at 25nl and alot of the more fishy regs that ive got good amount of hands on are playing there.. im sure they arent winning more than 2bb/100 not really sure how they are doing in 25nl.. wierd..
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      09-16-2012 , 05:45 AM
      Yeah I was 100% joking about CO being a crusher, pretty obv he was a fish.
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      09-16-2012 , 09:02 AM
      [ ] solid 10nl players
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      09-16-2012 , 10:34 AM
      Ok, we will see how it goes: ZOOM ZOOM
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      09-16-2012 , 10:59 AM
      Please tell me im an idiot.


      villian is 31/24/8(3bet)/3aggro factor after 350 hands

      Can I fold after he reraises me back?

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $25.90
      SB: $9.90
      BB: $10.15
      UTG: $15.79
      MP: $24.54
      Hero (CO): $23.60

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6 6

      fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

      Flop: ($1.05, 3 players) A 8 6
      MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $23.30 and is all-in, BTN calls $17.30

      Turn: ($47.65, 2 players) Q

      River: ($47.65, 2 players) K
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      09-16-2012 , 11:45 AM
      Nah I would not fold a set.
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      09-16-2012 , 11:55 AM
      Well you need to think of what range he is betting POT/3beting
      If you think he would do this with A8 or maybe some FD 236bb deep go ahead and ship
      But if you think he's never shipping anything worse than a set 236bb deep here then you'd probably best check/call all the way

      Last edited by Frostyice; 09-16-2012 at 12:04 PM.
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      09-16-2012 , 12:00 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Frostyice
      Well you need to think of what range he is betting POT/3beting
      If you think he would do this with A8 or maybe some FD 236bb deep go ahead and ship
      But if you think he's never shipping anything worse than a set 236bb deep here then you'd probably best check/call all the way
      Im not sure he is doing this ever with anything else than 88 and 88 only. so its fold, but still I cant fold a set even that deep -.-
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      09-16-2012 , 12:02 PM
      checking flop is silly
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      09-16-2012 , 12:07 PM
      Oh I misread the hand

      Once MP checks we should bet our set 100% of the time, it's a major mayhem if BTN decides to check back and we miss 1 street of value and they get a free card

      Now for the trick question, what'll we put BTN on if we bet 3/4 pot and get raised big?

      And how'd we react? I'm not sure if I'd ship it or start calling, it would depend on my reads on BTN
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      09-16-2012 , 12:47 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Frostyice
      Oh I misread the hand

      Once MP checks we should bet our set 100% of the time, it's a major mayhem if BTN decides to check back and we miss 1 street of value and they get a free card

      Now for the trick question, what'll we put BTN on if we bet 3/4 pot and get raised big?

      And how'd we react? I'm not sure if I'd ship it or start calling, it would depend on my reads on BTN
      Well, range he would probably raise me with is two pair combos (According to stats he would probably squeeze weak aces such as A8s, he could call with 86 and raise it here, and some draws, maybe even FD but I doubt that too, so that leaves me with 88 and combodraws)

      Still, dont think I can ever reship here profitably. Should have folded after he reraised me back.
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      09-16-2012 , 01:24 PM
      if we lead out 3/4 and he raises big, I can only imagine a few hands: AA which given his pre flop call is very unlikely, 88 (obviously), 2 broadway hearts or K/QXhh maybe A8s for two pair.
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      09-16-2012 , 01:31 PM
      All in with AA pre 4 times in the last session vs QQ QQ JJ JJ lost all 4. and this hand above makes me :/ either he has 99/44 or he doesnt. He's only going to get all in with those two hands (imo) as he's pretty solid 17/14 over ~350 hands so I cant see the point of raising the flop and think it's better to call. Is this wrong thinking?

        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13937862

        BTN: $5.34 (106.8 bb)
        SB: $7.14 (142.8 bb)
        BB: $23 (460 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $5.72 (114.4 bb)
        MP: $5.09 (101.8 bb)
        CO: $2.20 (44 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
        Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

        Flop: ($0.35) 9 4 4 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, SB raises to $0.46



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        09-16-2012 , 01:43 PM
        I would probably raise/ship the flop just looks so FOS, if you think he's "pretty solid" then he's never minraising here with 99944 nor is any 4 in his range, he's probably bluffing or minraising overpairs like TT/JJ/QQ

        If you think you can get him to bluff at you more than 1 street (because we probably never have 99944 or any 4 either for that matter that's why reraise looks so FOS)

        He's never minraising Quads either he'd probably just x/call and ship river

        But I guess calling and letting him bluff is going to work too but he won't put a big amount of his stack in unless he's improving so I'm rather going for the flop ship because it looks FOS
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