it's bad imo, putting nearly 10% of your stack in OOP.
You've got to remember that you're not always going to win when you do hit, as is the case here. You've got to account for that also.

Seems pretty -EV to me.
I don't really post much but much of Chad's posts are just mistakes he has been repeating time and again

^ yeah when set mining, HAVE A PLAN WHEN YOU DON"T HIT A SET, just don't have that mentally (check/fold when i don't hit a set)

can you rep your range againist villy?
is villy capable of folding to double barrels?

mutlitplier if your IP, OPP your kissing your money good bye when you don't hit your set, and EVEN if you do probably won't get stacks in due to extraction being harder

+ 1 to chad's mistakes, perhaps i was a bit harsh with the whiny comment, enough with the bad beats and post hands you actually having trouble with, not hands you played well and got sucked out on.

can't seem to get the hh converter working with zoom hands. anyone know how to fix this?

^ copy hands with STATS i notice works (but doesn't show the stats) in holdem manager

edit: Your welcome andy

sometimes u just have to delete the "zoom" in the hh

Tried that and it works, thanks.

I aggre that on that flop texture we have a big chance of stacking overpair when we hit our set. But what about boards like Axx/Kxx when villain has underpair to the board? Or times when he has a set himself? Or boards like QQx, KKx where nitty villains might not put their money in with overpairs ? Or some 876r and that guy sits there w/AK?

Well if he folds to a raise on the flop then that's a viable option on those boards with ATC as bluff don't you think

But I'd much rather do this IP and not OOP :|

I don't like calling OOP to setmine, because it's really hard on us if he decides to double barrel anyboard with any hand he 3bets if we're setmining

Also x/r in a 3bet pot is kind of strong so I don't expect to get paid off by thinking opponents a lot, esp as OOP caller a x/r is usually super super strong

And it's usually only one of the viable lines in a 3bet pot OOP, we can't really x/c x/c and hope he ships the rest
also x/c x/r is super strong too

not many good lines there, maybe donk/raise or x/r or x/c donk/raise but that might make him fold his underpairs ~~

IP this might be different because we can bluff at some rivers where he just double barrels OOP or we can bluff the flop by raising his cbet some times

Meh guess you can check your own results by checking your db for calling 3bets OOP @ Flop

shove or check behind?


Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1880259
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $75.59 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 3.3, Hands: 560581
SB: $120.60 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 16
BB: $68.71 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 12, AF: 1.5, Hands: 74
UTG: $150.24 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 15
MP: $50.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 16
CO: $68.87 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 22, 3B: 14, AF: 1.5, Hands: 336

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K K
UTG raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $4.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $3

Flop: ($14.00) 3 7 J (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $7.00, SB calls $7, UTG calls $7

Turn: ($35.00) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12.00, SB calls $12, UTG calls $12

River: ($71.00) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $52.09, SB calls $52.09, UTG folds

bet bigger ott I think.
and yeah 100% shoving with sb in the hand.

Also you gotta focus on fixing this asap if you wanna have a decent wr at 50nl.

Fix my Vpip and pfr? I was running at 24/21 in my last session. Most of my DB is fullring. Or do you mean something else?

Edit: and cheers for the input.

Oh yeah dw then, thought you were playing 15/13 at 6max haha.

I called because I have 15:1 implied odds and expect to get all in often *vs this villain* and villain has high cbet, low turn cbet so I'm going to float a lot of flops with the aim of taking it away on the turn if I dont improve.

Dont focus on the bad beats & whines if they bother you, I post lots of other stuff too. Most of the people on BQ have a moan from time to time. If I am always making the *same* mistakes will you do me a favour and spell them out for me? Id appreciate it.

Gamma, how you finding NL50 6max? What's your SN if you don't mind me asking?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.00
SB: $28.86
BB: $17.68
UTG: $33.71
Hero (MP): $47.32
CO: $61.02

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.35, 2 players) 5 A Q
Hero checks, CO bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($11.35, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

River: ($23.35, 2 players) T
Hero checks, CO bets $34.10, Hero calls $34.10

CO shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Fives) (Pre 82%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
Hero mucks Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Fives) (Pre 18%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
CO wins $89.55

Felt like pulling off huge hero fold and pretty much knew he'd have AA as he was pretty nitty but still couldn't push that fold button. Ran my time bank down to 1 second and brain kept saying fold, fold, fold but so tough to fold what's effectively 2nd nuts.

high flop cbet wit low turn cbet is probably from single raised pots where his range is generally way weaker..

also ur oop in that hand, gonna b hard to profitably float n steal..

This pretty much sums up why set mining with small-med pairs vs even AK, QQ+ 100bb is not a good thing..
They dont stack off 100% unless they have exactly AA..


wow that is super tough..
What was his 3bet.. if its a bit higher n he can bluff 3bet with like A5, then i guess i wouldnt b as disappointed
maaaaybe if its super low u could get away cuz he wont do that with AK,JJ,KK n TT wouldnt double barrel

Hey.
Is skill level fo avarage player bigger than on standard tables?
I play 6max @ micro stakes and was wondering if there are many regulars playing zoom. How many fish per regular player do you find there? I play at one of iPoker's room and there are like 20 fish per 1 reg, how does it look like on Pokerstars?

Not like that..

Im missing DaColtsTXFan or whatever he's called. Shocked that he suddenly lost patience and went bust.

He was like 14/12/4%3bet so was such a gay spot. Feels like I should fold especially with the overbet but just couldn't do it.

if he can do it with more than the nuts, its a good call.

I'm learning:

BTN: $13.30
Hero (SB): $13.42
BB: $19.37
UTG: $11.61
MP: $13.88
CO: $12.94

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) A K 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.90) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.89, Hero calls $1.39

River: ($4.68) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.35, Hero calls $3.35



Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $6.39
SB: $4.13
BB: $3.99
UTG: $10.61
MP: $6.08
CO: $5.63

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 8 7 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.57) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.35, CO raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.93

River: ($3.13) K (2 players)
CO bets $4.10, Hero folds


^^ gay fold. Regret it now, but do people shove the second nuts/bluffs here?

That QQ hand is gross. 14/12 isn't full blown nit though, probably plays the unlikely AQ the same right?

Dunna for some reason people love folding at 2nl zoom

Most of them do, I think people who always call bottom pair go bust in like ~30min at Zoom it's kind of a pity that it's eating up the fishies at top speed but the volume is amazing



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Here todays 2nl 6max was playing 34/31/7 I think

They just love folding all the time

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Zoom No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.17
SB: $2.67
BB: $1.14
Hero (UTG): $2.57
MP: $1.90
CO: $2.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.48, CO calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.99) 7 7 J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.99) K (2 players)
Hero bets $1.59 all in, CO folds

Final Pot: $1.99
Hero mucks A A
Hero wins $1.92
(Rake: $0.07)


[X] Call 4bet IP?
[X] Call cbet on flop?
[X] Call 1/3 of stack pre/flop, fold turn with less than PSB left?


Edit: also chad DalColtsFanFx or what he's called is still fine I guess? He just made a post about flushes today in BQ

think here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ushes-1242234/

Just not sure he'd ever 3bet AQ in those positions though, plus not really sure he would overbet otr. A5 would be more likely to overbet otr but don't even know if this guy will have a bluffing range, especially vs me this deep since I'm going to setmine any hand and I don't have a fairly low FT3bet% anyways.