bet bigger on the flop ~ $22.50 and turn ~$50 and Id be happy to get in if he raised here. I think we could bet the river as well, get value from 2 pairs, fold to a raise.

edit: just seen result, hard lines. I think he would still call it down if you bet bigger. He had a decent hand pre, deep stacked so better implied odds, hits a gutter on the flop and a backdoor flush draw, turn gives him flush draw, river, hits. You should have charged him more to draw out on you.

Completely agree with you.

The reason I only bet half pot was because I thought betting bigger polarized his calling range to sets and AK(possibly QKs). The turn bet should definitely been bigger. I really didn't think he would get there with QJs. So on the riv i thought it was QKs or a hand I beat.

Probably could have gone even large pre. My standard would be around $11 but since we are so deep maybe $14?

good point, I had missed the pre flop sizing. $15.

Now looking at his stack too, 15 pre, 25 flop, shove turn.

lol less than half pot wit nuts damn...

i would prob spaz shove turn tbh, it looks ******ed and hes never folding a ton of hands that hes called the flop with..KK/KJ/AJ/AK/JJ/99/ANY BROADWAY DIAMONDS LIKE THIS/

and the flop bet is fine, i wouldnt go bigger, when the turn hits tho im down to spaz the **** out

Sizing is completely fine on all streets. Q or T are the only bad cards that might kill any action otr. I can't imagine you'd ever get action potting the flop in a 4bet pot, if someone did that vs me I'd be folding so much of my range on that board.

BooHoo, I lost a big pot. Really messed my head up this hand. when he 4bet, am I supposed to fold? He's 11/11 over 20 hands.

Didnt I already tell u that thats AA everytime? lol


Oh and here u can lawl at this hand:

flat the 4bet

yeah but then what? knowing that I dont know the answer to this should have made me fold.

Biggest pot of the night. woohoo! fpp's seem to be stuck on 964. how often do they update?



Oh I noticed that my hud isnt showing again. HEM1 in use. Does anyone know how to fix that? Its showing them for everyone else at the tables.

Have a question for all you zoom FR players mainly 5/10/25 NL ones, i have logged about
500k hands since zoom came out and have noticed that whenever you get 4 bet by people they only have AA/KK. I know the rant that now begins "WTF you should never fold KK pre easy shove " well i think it isnt anymore at least at Zoom . People only stack off with better. ( now i talking about regs or nits atm not some 1 tabler fish ) How many times you guys have shoved your KK and its always against AA ? Have you noticed the patern.

But I know I'm going to spike my K on the river. No money in AA, everyones setting.

6max 5-25nl is fairly similar I've noticed too, although a lot of villains still 4bet shoving AK. You do get a lot more people flatting 3bets in my experience though, esp ip. Dunno about FR, but it's still player dependent at 6max, as you get your crazier villains still doing crazy stuff.

Having said all this, i accidentally sat at a FR Zoom table yesterday (i felt so dirty!) and got KK in the CO, got 3bet by SB, so made a smallish 4bet and he shipped, I called and he had AJo. I obv had no history on him, but suggests there's still value to be had there with KK.

Just filtered my HEM2 and was slight loser at 5nl (12 samples), 60% W$SD at 10nl (23 samples), and loser at 25nl only over 4 samples

Having looked at the 10nl samples some villains are getting in TT+, AJ+.

Unfortunately the 'hands view column' in HM2 doesn't show villain's cards so have to look through each one. I'm sure HM1 used to show villain's cards too?

If anyone knows a solution, let me know, as have searched their FAQ and got no idea, and there isn't an option on settings to add that as a column?

wow i love these crazy Russians that come on at this time





oh and gg sir:



"How'd I play the hand? ofc I played it like a genius, thats what I do"

I have never known HEM to show villain hand (when they lose) how could it? How would it know who the villain is?

Re: 4bet shoving AA - there are plenty of villains 3bet shoving utter **** J4o and stuff but nit's and regs yeh Im inclined to agree, 4bet = AA every time. Now I just need to know for sure if someone is **** or not and Ill be laughing all the way to the bank.

Regarding the guy earlier (might have been other thread) who says talking strat in BQ is bad because we're all rubbish and uNL is where its at...When I talk strat here, it's always kibitizing. I expect to get it right some of the time but when I get it wrong Ill get mullered for it and learn. Results speak for themselves. If I really wanted to talk strat anyway, Id go to sNL.

Totally unfair to bag out BQ for strat, beginners asking "why do we do x?" is far more thought provoking than a horde of "do x, standard" posts in reponse to a question. That's if you think about your lines rather than trying to follow a recipe. I found the micro LHE forum far more analytical than its NLHE counterpart.

I'm looking to set up a study group for 5NL - 50NL focused for mainly zoom players but I think normal 6-max players will benefit.

Study group will be via Skype - but I'll be setting up a forum as well so people can post hands

If your interested - just post up - I'll be setting up a BQ thread soon.

Idea was obviously stolen from verneer.

When any hand goes to showdown, then HEM knows what they have. on normal tables it tells you straight after even if they dont show, and you can see it in the replayer

+1

Dunno bout the LHE forum, but when you post a hand in the uNL section you often just get one liners saying raise or fold pre or whatever. Not really helpful, albeit if you start trying to think about why that is best then maybe that's a better patht to learning than being spoonfed? I dunno, problem there is, knowing which posters to trust to give good advice, and which are the action junkies

I'm in.

Edit: reason I didn't try out for Verneer's group is because 5k hands / week is a stretch, I'm hoping there's no min hand requirements (and I'm dropping Zoom but play exclusively 6- max).

Hey guys.
Haven't ever tried this.
I am pretty sure the dynamics in this is different than in standard 6max game...
How should I adapt? Any general tips?

Presuming you're playing microstakes, then a good ABC strategy should get you pretty far. I played 20/18 through 2-5nl and found it fairly straightforward

Bah. Couldn't make Veneer's coz of irl commitments, and am on holiday for two weeks this month so can't commit to this either!

If anyone else sees this though, then get yourself signed up. Great opportunity, thanks Enprinte. If it carries on into Oct then I'm signing up now!

Just wanted to check everyone's line with this hand, are we simply shoving the river with the house or is it a better line to check behind?

Only 3 hands on villain at 100/67 and 100 3b. So we don't have a clue where villain is, or at least i didn't.
Do villains stats play a part in this hand or are we happy to just get it in vs most in this situation??