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08-27-2012 , 08:49 PM
first day of 50Nl.. couldn't have went better



sustainable? dont think so. Do I care? Hell no!
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08-27-2012 , 09:05 PM
Very nice

Is that like 9k hands in one day? How you do that? I was pleased today with 3.5k
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08-27-2012 , 09:23 PM
Ty playing 4 tables of zoom and about 7 hours play . You must be only 2 tabling or dont have all day to play poker unlike me haha. I'm off college for the summer so I have a lot of free time. Still 3.5k hands is nice volume too.
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08-27-2012 , 10:50 PM
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08-28-2012 , 12:34 AM
Daaamn
FOAH!
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08-28-2012 , 04:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat


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08-28-2012 , 04:53 AM
Hey guys,

I was just running some filters and the one w/ AK all in pre shows I'm down 20 buyins (23 ev) over 250k+ hands of 10nl 6max.

I'm not going crazy every time I have AK and I do sometimes flat depending on villain and/or positions on the table but it looks like I'm handling this situations badly.

So, I would appreciate if some of you that play 10-25nl could run that filter and post the results.

Btw, over that sample I had 171 situations w/ AK when I went AI pre according to the filter
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08-28-2012 , 05:00 AM
ASB

Biggest Fish on a heater - Lol PLO'z I assumes?

I really haven't felt motivated to play at all - just mucking around degening with like $100 playing 25NL.
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08-28-2012 , 05:01 AM
Dont go all in pre 100bb with AK at NL10 v tags, ur rarely in a great spot..
I havent done so in like at least 100k hands n im doin aite with it
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08-28-2012 , 05:33 AM
2 tables of PLO25 while I was on triple draw waitlists.
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08-28-2012 , 05:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by khangura175
Dont go all in pre 100bb with AK at NL10 v tags, ur rarely in a great spot..
I havent done so in like at least 100k hands n im doin aite with it
What about vs complete unknowns? Is it ok to auto stack off AK vs unknowns who I don't have any HM stats, but we are 100bb deep and positions are blind vs blind or blinds vs BTN/CO?
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08-28-2012 , 06:13 AM
Yeah Im stacking off AK vs unknown in blind vs blind or blind vs late opener all day long. If you are IP pre though, why jam when you can take a flop?
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08-28-2012 , 11:24 AM
First hand, is it ok to play KK this way? I dont want to make him fold pre so I call his 3bet then let him bet it out. Sizing on the river OK?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13818962

    BTN: $7.03 (140.6 bb)
    SB: $8.47 (169.4 bb)
    BB: $5 (100 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $7.53 (150.6 bb)
    MP: $1.85 (37 bb)
    CO: $2.59 (51.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
    Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.92) T J 9 (2 players)
    BB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

    Turn: ($1.82) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.82) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.62 pot ($0.15 rake)
    Final Board: T J 9 3 J
    BB mucked Q Q and lost (-$1.80 net)
    Hero showed K K and won $3.47 ($1.67 net)



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    So that was my last hand at 5nl before I moved up..

    Here I felt after his solid 3bet that he was in the mood to call a shove (which could just be crap blind defence)

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13818972

      BTN: $10.75 (107.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): $11.64 (116.4 bb)
      BB: $13.64 (136.4 bb)
      UTG: $6.26 (62.6 bb)
      MP: $14.10 (141 bb)
      CO: $9.70 (97 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $11.64 and is all-in, 2 folds, BTN calls $9.85 and is all-in

      Flop: ($21.90) 8 6 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($21.90) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($21.90) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $21.90 pot ($0.99 rake)
      Final Board: 8 6 9 K Q
      BTN showed K K and won $20.91 ($10.16 net)
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$10.75 net)



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      Every time I step up I start off with beats. What is this bull**** phenomenon?

      Glad in this next one I didnt shove.

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13818982

        BTN: $21.72 (217.2 bb)
        SB: $9.44 (94.4 bb)
        BB: $20.69 (206.9 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
        MP: $6.11 (61.1 bb)
        CO: $12.97 (129.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
        Hero raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

        Flop: ($0.75) Q 6 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

        Turn: ($1.75) 8 (2 players)
        Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

        River: ($4.75) A (2 players)
        Hero bets $2.30, CO calls $2.30

        Spoiler:
        Results: $9.35 pot ($0.42 rake)
        Final Board: Q 6 9 8 A
        Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-$4.60 net)
        CO showed Q Q and won $8.93 ($4.33 net)



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        Well played mate :/

          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13818992

          BTN: $16.90 (169 bb)
          SB: $18.44 (184.4 bb)
          BB: $6.10 (61 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $12.43 (124.3 bb)
          MP: $11.37 (113.7 bb)
          CO: $12.24 (122.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
          Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

          Flop: ($1) 8 Q K (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, MP folds, SB calls $0.80

          Turn: ($2.60) 3 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $4.30, Hero calls $2.30

          River: ($11.20) K (2 players)
          SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $10.50, Hero calls $0.03 and is all-in

          Spoiler:
          Results: $25.26 pot ($1.14 rake)
          Final Board: 8 Q K 3 K
          SB showed K Q and won $24.12 ($11.69 net)
          Hero showed A A and lost (-$12.43 net)



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          In that one ^ maybe should fold to turn raise. I was wracking my brain thinking what would he have played this way? Surely he would have raised QQ, KK and AK so what else can he have? The only hand I think he can have that beats me is KQ but I think he can do this with AQ, busted flush draws maybe, I dunno. Probably a little bit tilted already after the two hands before it to be honest. *sigh* please kick me.
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          08-28-2012 , 11:52 AM
          Hand 1 he 3bet OOP vs UTG which people rarely have a bluffing range for and that's probably even more true at NL5. Think you should just 4bet and try get it in unless his fold to 4bet is really high/3bet is very high (check vs UTG too). As played you HAVE to bet the turn. It seems like you are trying to get to showdown cheaply, you can also go bigger otr.

          Hand 2 - just 4bet to a normal sizing, luckily you got the one hand that's always going to call a 4bet shove but tbh your thought process just seems like you were hoping he'd call and had no reasoning behind the shove. 4bet/c is so much better.

          Hand 3 - Go much bigger otr. WP otherwise.

          Hand 4 - turn call is probably okay because I imagine you're getting odds to draw to NF. River seems like the biggest brainfart ever, fold to first bet.
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          08-28-2012 , 12:28 PM
          how do you not stack off with KK?
          how do you not even bet turn?

          wtf is going on with the AA
          if nothing makes sense then its most likely for value
          people dont usually muck around on monotone boards esp when you have the nutflushdraw
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          08-28-2012 , 12:44 PM
          These were just the worst hands! I got it right elsewhere, honest! (zero sum AA vs KK game - remember this, its important).
          I thought I was being a tricky trickster with the KK. He was pretty tight and I wanted him to stay in. Mission accomplished. I honestly thought it was the best way to play against this specific villain.

          I posted the AA vs KQ hand to take a beating - I earned it. I knew I had got that totally wrong.

          In the 66 hand, I could have gone bigger on the river, but I wanted him to call. He would have caled if Id have shoved - confirmation bias = justifiable play?

          And the AA shove, I cant remember his stats now but it was *not* random. He was an uber nit, he only ever held AK, KK+ and would get all in.

          Things have gone alright since then. Won a couple of buyins. I think I've got a decent 6M zoom strat. Fixed a lot of my leaks playing zoom pretty quickly, a few months. I feel pretty confident that what Ive learned will translate to regular cash games. If any of you who have seen my posts over the last year has noticed a particular pattern or thing that Im doing wrong, Im all ears. Ive (mostly) fixed my urge to call river bets and my results are through the roof. I understand that I have a lingering sizing problem :s working on it though. Anything else?
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          08-28-2012 , 12:50 PM
          So, just around the time I need to put in mega-volume to get to the next VIP level and the "end of month runbad" kicks in.

          Already had nut fullhouse busted by quads twice today!

          Embracing the variance though and pushing on, 400 VPPs to go.

          Thought this was hilarious, first hand of the session v mega whale......"But I haz da nut gutshot innit"

            Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13819132

            Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
            SB: $27.19 (271.9 bb)
            BB: $3.78 (37.8 bb)
            UTG: $9.70 (97 bb)
            MP: $10 (100 bb)
            CO: $17 (170 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with J 8
            3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.15

            Flop: ($0.55) 8 3 4 (2 players)
            BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

            Turn: ($1.75) Q (2 players)
            BB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.27, BB calls $1.73 and is all-in

            River: ($7.61) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $7.61 pot ($0.34 rake)
            Final Board: 8 3 4 Q 9
            Hero showed J 8 and lost (-$3.78 net)
            BB showed 9 T and won $7.27 ($3.49 net)



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            08-28-2012 , 02:53 PM
            Hmm, not so happy with Mr Variance now. 8 BIs below just in two days

            Obv getting it in against draws, maybe JJ, but the villain that actually won had 2% otf, and 14% ott!! Must be nice to suckout that much!

            Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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            BTN: $16.64
            SB: $13.60
            BB: $9.78
            Hero (UTG): $11.71
            MP: $3.55
            CO: $10.15

            Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q Q
            Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

            Flop: ($0.95) Q 4 J (3 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80, BB raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $11.41 all in, BTN raises to $16.34 all in, BB calls $7.38 all in

            Turn: ($33.25) T (3 players - 3 are all in)

            River: ($33.25) K (3 players - 3 are all in)

            Spoiler:
            Final Pot: $33.25
            BTN shows Js 9s (a straight, Nine to King)
            BB shows Ks Ts (two pair, Kings and Tens)
            Hero shows Qc Qh (three of a kind, Queens)
            BTN wins $3.68
            BTN wins $28.07
            (Rake: $1.50)
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            08-28-2012 , 03:13 PM
            gets all in with flush draw and a pair. thats pretty decent.
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            08-28-2012 , 03:18 PM
            for multiway yeah, not so much as other vilain has the OESDFD of his FD lol
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            08-28-2012 , 03:20 PM
            genius or idiot?

            PokerStars - $0.50 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

            BTN: $52.57
            Hero (SB): $57.02
            BB: $69.63
            UTG: $19.13
            UTG+1: $24.79
            UTG+2: $78.48
            MP: $62.85
            MP+1: $47.75
            CO: $26.25

            Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

            Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 3 3

            fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $10.00, BB calls $5.50

            Flop: ($20.00, 2 players) A K 4
            Hero bets $9.00, BB raises to $20.50, Hero raises to $47.02 and is all-in
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            08-28-2012 , 03:47 PM
            depends on villain. possibly OK. Hard for him to call with QQ-

            Edit: But is this kind of malarky necesary to win?
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            08-28-2012 , 03:49 PM
            he's aggro - OTF i'm pretty sure hardly anybody is raising any made hand, they'd just flat to keep my bluffs in
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            08-28-2012 , 03:50 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chad0x00
            gets all in with flush draw and a pair. thats pretty decent.
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Frostyice
            for multiway yeah, not so much as other vilain has the OESDFD of his FD lol
            Yeah, not moaning - just thought it was funny that the guy with 2% when it went all-in ended up taking it down. Kinda sums the last two days up for me
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            08-28-2012 , 03:54 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by chad0x00

            Edit: But is this kind of malarky necesary to win?
            fair point - probably not.

            if i'd have noticed how aggro he was i wouldn't have opened pre - but once i did it all escalated from there.

            chaos theory!
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