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03-27-2022 , 09:03 PM
Hello

I just need a path. So my question is will reading these 10 books be enough to make a wining online poker player?
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...ooks-18297.htm
Please let me know I`m willing to read more but at least for the smaller stakes will it be enough to make something like 30-50$ an hour?
Thanks and please give me an honest answer am I aiming for too much?
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03-27-2022 , 09:17 PM
That article is from 2017 so the answer will be no
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03-27-2022 , 09:24 PM
No, reading those 10 books will not make you a winning online poker player. Reading books on poker strategy will help you learn the best way to play, but those 10 books cover a wide range of poker formats, and aren't focused on beating low stakes games. Caro's Book of Tells, for instance, might help you identify physical tells in a live game, but seeing a picture of what someone looks like when they are strong (or weak) won't really help you when you are online.

Regardless, reading books and watching videos will help you understand the game, and should improve your chances of being a winner. You are very unlikely to make $30-$50 an hour playing low stakes online. That doesn't mean it is impossible, just that it isn't easy, and at low stakes it really isn't realistic. I'm sure people have done it, and are doing it, but reading any number of books isn't going to make it happen.

Don't have a goal of a certain amount per hour. Instead, have a goal of improving your play to become a winning player. Reading books certainly won't hurt.
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03-28-2022 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
No, reading those 10 books will not make you a winning online poker player. Reading books on poker strategy will help you learn the best way to play, but those 10 books cover a wide range of poker formats, and aren't focused on beating low stakes games. Caro's Book of Tells, for instance, might help you identify physical tells in a live game, but seeing a picture of what someone looks like when they are strong (or weak) won't really help you when you are online.

Regardless, reading books and watching videos will help you understand the game, and should improve your chances of being a winner. You are very unlikely to make $30-$50 an hour playing low stakes online. That doesn't mean it is impossible, just that it isn't easy, and at low stakes it really isn't realistic. I'm sure people have done it, and are doing it, but reading any number of books isn't going to make it happen.

Don't have a goal of a certain amount per hour. Instead, have a goal of improving your play to become a winning player. Reading books certainly won't hurt.
Without any money. How can a newbie like me become successful at poker? What do I have to read or do? I`ve got installed on my computer Gouverner of Poker it`s a fun simulator for playing texas hold`` `e`m and not very easy to beat. So I`m fiddling around with that. What else can I do and where should I start in order to become a great poker player?
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03-28-2022 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bogdy23
Without any money. How can a newbie like me become successful at poker? What do I have to read or do? I`ve got installed on my computer Gouverner of Poker it`s a fun simulator for playing texas hold`` `e`m and not very easy to beat. So I`m fiddling around with that. What else can I do and where should I start in order to become a great poker player?
I don't know where you live, but if you live in the US or Canada you can try Global Poker. They will give you $20 worth of sweeps coins to start, and you don't need to deposit anything. Every day you can get a little bit more free money, and also you can play their freeroll tournaments. There are ways to get a lot more free money on there, but I won't go into it because I don't know if you are eligible (based on location).

As for getting good, you will need to do a combination of playing and studying. There is a lot of content online, both written and videos, that will get you started. You can play lots of games for play money - and that will be a good place to start in order to learn the software and the general way the game goes. It won't be like real money games (even low stakes) so don't get too impressed if you win a lot of play money.

I would suggest any introductory book on Holdem will be well worth reading. Don't worry that older books are out of date. That is totally irrelevant for beginning poker. Yes, the game has changed, but you still need to have the basics down before even thinking about the newer ideas that the pros talk about. Learn about starting hands, position and bet sizing - and then try playing at the lowest stakes.
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03-28-2022 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bogdy23
Without any money. How can a newbie like me become successful at poker?
Without any money, you can't. Poker as a game doesn't make very much sense.
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03-28-2022 , 04:56 PM
Hello,

Winning the kind of $ you want to at poker takes hard work, focus, attention to detail, and a host of other qualities. 99+% that try to gambool as a profession fail. So no reading those 10 books will not enable you to win that kind of $

signed

successful perfessional gambooler
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03-28-2022 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Without any money, you can't. Poker as a game doesn't make very much sense.
Ok Little to no money there Are a lot of players Who started with just bonuses and made hundreds of thousands. I just want to be one of them
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03-28-2022 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
I don't know where you live, but if you live in the US or Canada you can try Global Poker. They will give you $20 worth of sweeps coins to start, and you don't need to deposit anything. Every day you can get a little bit more free money, and also you can play their freeroll tournaments. There are ways to get a lot more free money on there, but I won't go into it because I don't know if you are eligible (based on location).

As for getting good, you will need to do a combination of playing and studying. There is a lot of content online, both written and videos, that will get you started. You can play lots of games for play money - and that will be a good place to start in order to learn the software and the general way the game goes. It won't be like real money games (even low stakes) so don't get too impressed if you win a lot of play money.

I would suggest any introductory book on Holdem will be well worth reading. Don't worry that older books are out of date. That is totally irrelevant for beginning poker. Yes, the game has changed, but you still need to have the basics down before even thinking about the newer ideas that the pros talk about. Learn about starting hands, position and bet sizing - and then try playing at the lowest stakes.
Hello I live in Romania so no i won’t be able to use that website. I can use gouverner of poker which is the best simulator I’ve seen for poker as it’s not something that will fold if you bluff with All in. But I want to be one of the players who start with the poker stars bonus and keep adding to it. What books are good now to read maybe I can find them for free online and read them.
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03-28-2022 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bogdy23
Hello I live in Romania so no i won’t be able to use that website. I can use gouverner of poker which is the best simulator I’ve seen for poker as it’s not something that will fold if you bluff with All in. But I want to be one of the players who start with the poker stars bonus and keep adding to it. What books are good now to read maybe I can find them for free online and read them.
I have no idea what Pokerstars bonuses are like now - but usually they don't actually give you a bonus. They might advertise a big bonus, but what it means is if you deposit some money they will give you a bonus match - and then you have to play a lot to even be able to get that bonus. So don't count on that as a way to build a bankroll - you will have to give them money to start. Since I'm not in Romania (and I'm not allowed to play on Pokerstars in the US) it might be different - but I doubt it.

Check out https://pokercoaching.com/home/ It is Jonathon Little's site, and I'm pretty sure there is some free content on there.
and https://www.blackrain79.com/p/start-here.html

I'm no expert on what resources there are out there - but these should at least get you started.
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03-29-2022 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bogdy23
Ok Little to no money there Are a lot of players Who started with just bonuses and made hundreds of thousands. I just want to be one of them
It's just a shame that it's orders of magnitude harder now than it was fifteen years ago
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03-29-2022 , 09:51 AM
The lowest stakes online are typically 2NL. This means that the maximum buy in is $2 and the blinds are $0.01/0.02. I would suspect that the lowest stakes in Rumania would be something comparable. Good bankroll management typically calls for a bankroll of about 30 buyins to cushion against downswings, so a US player would need about a $60 bankroll to really get going, assuming they are actually able to win at 2NL.

If you cannot afford such amounts of money, you probably should reconsider the idea of trying to make a living by playing poker. You likely will be “scared money” and won’t play anywhere near the level you need to play in order to actually be a winner. Get a job, save up a little money (for lowest stakes it doesn’t need to be much) and then start playing. NEVER play with money that you need for rent, food, bills, etc. Even if you are completely crushing a game, that doesn’t mean you will ALWAYS be winning. You will go through stretches where you lose, possibly a lot. You certainly don’t want to lose your rent money during a downswing. You should have a poker bankroll that is completely separate from your living expenses. Until you can practically do so, you should probably postpone playing poker.
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03-29-2022 , 03:13 PM
I can afford 60€ a week. But i just need to be good enough to win.
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03-30-2022 , 05:16 AM
stremba is not saying you need that a week, you need that as a one-off starting deposit
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03-30-2022 , 01:23 PM
That is correct. If you truly can afford 60 euros per week, then you probably can afford to play for higher stakes than 2NL. I would not recommend that, at least at first, until you gain some experience and improve your game. It is likely that you wonÂ’t be a winner at first, and you can play the lowest stakes as a cheap way to learn and improve.

As far as studying and book reading goes, by all means do it, but donÂ’t let a perceived need to learn more stop you from starting to actually play poker. Most people lww we are best from the combination of studying and applying what you study in actual practice. If you really can afford 60 euros per week, you can afford to lose for a while at the lowest stakes while learning. I would NOT recommend play money games for this (unless itÂ’s just to get a feel for how the software looks and works). If you try to learn strategy by playing these games, you will only have to unlearn everything that worked in them when you do transition to real money. Just start in real money games at a low stake.

As for studying, you can’t just “study poker”; that’s much too broad. Players spend entire lifetimes studying poker, learning new strategies and improving their game. You need to be more focused. IMO a good starting point is to learn preflop play first. There are a couple of reasons for this. First off, in terms of complexity, preflop play is relatively simple. It’s something you should be able to master fairly quickly. Second, your preflop decisions are the most common ones you will make. Every hand you have a decision to make preflop. Most hands that will end up being your only decision since you will fold most of your hands. The decision to call or raise if you aren’t folding also is easy PF. Generally you will always raise and never call, assuming the action folded to you. Finally, good preflop play can give you enough of an edge to actually be a winner at the lowest stakes games. With good preflop play you will typically have better starting cards and put yourself in easier postflop situations than your opponents. That can be enough to be profitable, especially since you will be up against opponents whose postflop play won’t be all that good anyway.
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03-30-2022 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stremba70
That is correct. If you truly can afford 60 euros per week, then you probably can afford to play for higher stakes than 2NL. I would not recommend that, at least at first, until you gain some experience and improve your game. It is likely that you wonÂ’t be a winner at first, and you can play the lowest stakes as a cheap way to learn and improve.

As far as studying and book reading goes, by all means do it, but donÂ’t let a perceived need to learn more stop you from starting to actually play poker. Most people lww we are best from the combination of studying and applying what you study in actual practice. If you really can afford 60 euros per week, you can afford to lose for a while at the lowest stakes while learning. I would NOT recommend play money games for this (unless itÂ’s just to get a feel for how the software looks and works). If you try to learn strategy by playing these games, you will only have to unlearn everything that worked in them when you do transition to real money. Just start in real money games at a low stake.

As for studying, you can’t just “study poker”; that’s much too broad. Players spend entire lifetimes studying poker, learning new strategies and improving their game. You need to be more focused. IMO a good starting point is to learn preflop play first. There are a couple of reasons for this. First off, in terms of complexity, preflop play is relatively simple. It’s something you should be able to master fairly quickly. Second, your preflop decisions are the most common ones you will make. Every hand you have a decision to make preflop. Most hands that will end up being your only decision since you will fold most of your hands. The decision to call or raise if you aren’t folding also is easy PF. Generally you will always raise and never call, assuming the action folded to you. Finally, good preflop play can give you enough of an edge to actually be a winner at the lowest stakes games. With good preflop play you will typically have better starting cards and put yourself in easier postflop situations than your opponents. That can be enough to be profitable, especially since you will be up against opponents whose postflop play won’t be all that good anyway.
So you are telling me that if I use a poker simulator like Gouverner of Poker. And learn poker strategy at the same time I will unlearn the very thing that I was learning from the books?
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03-30-2022 , 06:29 PM
I have no idea how good or bad your simulator is. I was referring to play money games against live opponents. If you play enough of them you will see people shoving 100 bb stacks with complete trash and you will win by calling with hands like 55 or A4o. Such a strategy would be obviously disastrous if you tried it, even at a 2NL game.

I would play real money rather than a computer simulator though to work on your game. You will see different strategies at a real money table; your sim plays the same way all the time. If you tailor a strategy to beat the sim, that might be counterproductive against real opponents
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03-31-2022 , 12:13 AM
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So you are telling me that if I use a poker simulator like Gouverner of Poker. And learn poker strategy at the same time I will unlearn the very thing that I was learning from the books?
Think I've read 2 books fully on Poker. Maybe part of Hellmuth's book too but it was a little boring so I stopped reading it. There are books that are specifically 'designed for the limits you play in' and 'pros' who claim you will make a living if you follow their recipe. And, perhaps you could... I think my buddy read 100 books, had 4 HUDs maybe? and as part of many forums, training videos and played a mix of Brick and Mortar and On-line and made a tidy profit(18 years years ago) The guy was also very disciplined and designed a strategy wargame from scratch so is inclined toward math and programming. Which I think helps!

I have played recreational poker and had mad swings. . . My buddy tells me it's all about the math. Most people don't have the discipline to grind out a living with poker cause you would have to treat it like a job to do what you would like.

If you really enjoy it and have the level of discipline google some of the micro-lifestylers if living in a low income country you can make a living there with just micros if you you're mult-tabling I hear. I doubt I'd have the discipline to play 8 tables at once, 2 or 3 game types and possibly for quite a bit of hours!

It's a job right? If you're successful and if not it's a hobby that costs you money. Either way have fun and do what you want...
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