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Originally Posted by bobboufl11
I have a few questions about this. If a fish(30+,10-15pfr bad postflop etc) raises and you have like a J9s, 108s on the BTN is it really better to 3 bet or fold than call? Also what do you do when you 3 bet with AK and get 4 bet, seems like when I shove they only call with AA or KK and when I call I usually miss but folding isn't great either.
It's pretty hard for me to answer this.
What I'd do would be both 3betting and calling because he'll call with so much crap and check/fold the flop to us a lot or pay us off with worse hands too much. In effect I'd be isolating him, just looking to get in lots of pots with him in position and abuse him. Here, provided we play much better postflop then the fish, both calling and raising are profitable so go nuts.
What micro stakes players who aren't comfortable playing this style should do would be to play tight and trap him. It's pretty high variance and if you're not comfortable doing it then you don't need to. You will eventually though as you move up.
This situation is much different to a TAG who, OOP, will pretty much always 4bet or fold. We'd be 3betting for completely different reasons.
Against a TAG if you're not comfortable 5bet shoving AK then don't 3bet in the first place unless he's going to call you with stuff like AQ/AJ/etc. and 4bet QQ/KK/AA but in effect that would just be a raise for information (which most of the time is a bad thing). Against the fish you could probably 3bet AK and fold to a 4bet (if you wanted to) since he'll call the 3bet with so much crap and dominated hands, but again calling would still be +EV.
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
I would think your 3-betting range would contain to many semibluffs. With JJ+ and AK you have 40 combos. With 54s-JTs and 53s-QTs and T7s-Q9s and A8s-AQs you have 92 combos.
I would prefer to only 3-bet like 20 of the 92 combos to have my 3-bets comprised of 2/3 valuebets and 1/3 semibluffs. I'm not saying that these are the golden numbers everyone should play but I think your range contains way to many semibluffs.
It depends on the situation. With a player opening a wide range in LP and we're in position we should be thinking multiples of our value range, not fractions.
OOP or against a tight range then we can go back to fractions.
Also the deeper we are the more inclined we should be to 3bet bluff in position and the less inclined to do so OOP. We should also be more inclined to call in position when deep and less OOP when deep.
So let's say we're sitting to the left of a player with a wide range from LP and we're about 150BBs deep. When he's on the BTN and we're in the SB our range will be very tight but when he's in the CO and we're on the BTN our range will be ridiculously wide.
But, again, this is against competent players, not ones who are going to call a lot OOP.
And again I'm going to put a warning on this:
NOT APPLICABLE AT MICRO STAKES.
Please don't start going wild against nits and calling stations because it's high variance and if you're not comfortable doing it you're going to lose a lot of money. You can play ABC and take their money. This is purely a theoretical discussion, come back to this when you're moving up to small stakes.