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Where the hell did i mislay this hand? Where the hell did i mislay this hand?

06-02-2017 , 01:30 PM
I was pretty deep in a Stars micro-stakes tourney. I got the pocket aces, and well yeah lost it any pretty suprising way, for me atleast. But you can see for yourself, and any kind of feedback is welcome even the rough one.



Poker Stars $0.50+$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t900/t1800 Blinds + t225 - 9 players
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BB: t31947 M = 6.76
UTG: t33957 M = 7.19
UTG+1: t100018 M = 21.17
UTG+2: t34344 M = 7.27
Hero (MP1): t40745 M = 8.62
MP2: t86080 M = 18.22
CO: t31831 M = 6.74
BTN: t12030 M = 2.55
SB: t62720 M = 13.27

Pre Flop: (t4725) Hero is MP1 with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to t4105, 3 folds, SB calls t3205, 1 fold

Flop: (t12035) 8 T 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t4551, SB raises to t15120, Hero raises to t36415 all in, SB calls t21295

Turn: (t84865) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t84865) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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06-02-2017 , 01:37 PM
1Call on Flop, but be prepared to fold the Turn on that J if he bets strong again. You are rarely ahead here. Lots of hands that beats you like 97, sets, two pairs, but he may also be check-raising you with a strong draw.

That 1/3 bet on the Flop was so bad on such a wet board that connects with his PF calling range.

What you did wrong? You got glued to your pocket Aces on a board that can easily counterfeit your hand. You only have Top Pair here and Villain covers your stacks.

It sucks folding here, but you are still live in the Tournament and you can come back.

Last edited by Drakken; 06-02-2017 at 01:54 PM.
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06-02-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Drakken
Call on Flop, but be prepared to fold the Turn on that J if he bets strong again. You are rarely ahead here. Lots of hands that beats you like 97, sets, two pairs, but he may also be check-raising you with a big draw.

That 1/3 bet on the Flop was so bad on such a wet board that connects with his PF calling range.

What you did wrong? You got glued to your pocket Aces on a board that can easily counterfeit your hand. You only have Top Pair here and Villain covers your stacks.
I understand that i should have folded on flop or have made a bigger bet like 3/4, but why the hell did he call me preflop, i thought i had made a big enough of raise preflop, that weak hands like 10 7 off suited would 100% be folding...... That is what annoys me that he freaking calls me when i raised more then 3x, and should i bet even bigger then 3x in a given situation?
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06-02-2017 , 01:49 PM
Bet larger on the flop, that's barely a third of the pot. Sucks that he checkraises you but with only slightly more than 20bb and aces I'm happy to felt this
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06-02-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
I understand that i should have folded on flop or have made a bigger bet like 3/4, but why the hell did he call me preflop, i thought i had made a big enough of raise preflop, that weak hands like 10 7 off suited would 100% be folding...... That is what annoys me that he freaking calls me when i raised more then 3x, and should i bet even bigger then 3x in a given situation?
That is actually great for you if he calls with T7, you are FAR ahead in equity PF. But he hit a very good Flop that gave him decent equity to fight back.

You actually beat him with T7 on that Flop.
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06-02-2017 , 02:06 PM
SB calls getting 3 to 1 on his call ... We don't know any history of your image or the SB's image before this hand.

1) Could be combo draw .. J9/TJ/T9s .. QJs
2) Could be set ... 9 possible sets
3) Could be a flush and 2 overs ... but you have nut flush blocker in As so AKs is out
4) Could be a 'wide' call with 97 of some other suit?
5) Could be KK/QQ/JJ ... 18 combos

Hard to get away from this here with backdoor flush and you would be getting basically 3 to 1 to call a Turn shove as well .. but only 12bb behind if you flat then fold the Turn.

Should you ever check the Flop? Probably not, pretty nasty board, but if SB has a history of playing this part of the deck you could check for pot control ... and then hate this Turn card!!

If you eliminate most of #1 and all of #4 above then you would be ahead of SB's range. The more hands you can put into that range the more likely you can be coolered on this board and would look to pot control. With SB having a 'larger' stack they can 'afford' to speculate against other players ... especially if you have been playing with a smaller range.

It's hard to say raise more PF since we don't know what's been the standard raise. You want the SB or BB to call in this spot and play OOP against you.

All I can say is you are crushing some hands here (KK/QQ), flipping against another group (both str/flush draws) but crushed against a much smaller group (sets) so the way the betting has gone down you are pretty much expected to go broke here without some other reason to fold or keep the pot small. If this player somehow ends up with some 2 pair hands here ... then welcome to small stakes tournament play!! (and you still have outs) .. GL
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06-02-2017 , 02:19 PM
You do bet kind of smallish/weak on the Flop .. but again, without any history with you or the opponent (or the table) it's hard to tell. This bet size would be fine against a dryer board in a live tournament for sure.

I 'glad' to see at least one comment indicating that a check on the Flop is 'in play'. This board hits a SB (3 to 1) calling range way more than it hits your's and although free cards suck, pot control in a tournament is just fine. GL
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06-02-2017 , 02:30 PM
It's mirco stakes, just because you raised it large (too large IMO) pre flop don't assume that they wont call ATC
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06-02-2017 , 02:33 PM
Usually when i'm deep in micro tourneys the HUGE fishes are almost out of the tourney this deep, unless they are on a roll. Me and SB have no history of playing together before, this was our first hand ever. I got moved to a lot of different tourneys
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06-02-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by onehandatatime
It's mirco stakes, just because you raised it large (too large IMO) pre flop don't assume that they wont call ATC
He makes it less than 2.3x preflop, I highly doubt that's too large in a .5$ tournament?

Hard to get away from AA with an M of 8.
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06-02-2017 , 03:03 PM
Gii otf
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06-02-2017 , 03:07 PM
And btw everyone here knows you lost the hand so they might be inclined to say fold flop. Lel. Do not fold flop. Do not call flop because youre left with a small amount relative to the pot Ott so villain can play pretty much perfectly against you. Cbet&gii otf sorry you lost the hand
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06-02-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick93
And btw everyone here knows you lost the hand so they might be inclined to say fold flop. Lel. Do not fold flop. Do not call flop because youre left with a small amount relative to the pot Ott so villain can play pretty much perfectly against you. Cbet&gii otf sorry you lost the hand
Thanks this made very good sense to me. I've never thought about it that way, but yeh i often find myself in that spot where my oppenoment is more big stacked then me and he will call me almost everytime because my whole stack is equal to 1/4 of pot size already....
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06-02-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
Thanks this made very good sense to me. I've never thought about it that way, but yeh i often find myself in that spot where my oppenoment is more big stacked then me and he will call me almost everytime because my whole stack is equal to 1/4 of pot size already....
Can I ask - would you have posted the hand if you won it?
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06-02-2017 , 03:27 PM
Haven't read responses ...


I'd probably bet bigger on this flop. Like 8700 with the plan to shove most turns.

As played, I definitely shove over his flop raise.

I don't think you misplayed the hand (other than my flop bet sizing comment). If he just called your bet, a turn shove would have been 32,000 into 20,000. I'd rather use two streets here, so go bigger on flop and shove turn.
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06-02-2017 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
Can I ask - would you have posted the hand if you won it?
No i dont think so why?
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06-02-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
No i dont think so why?
Because results should not affect your decisions, if they do you're thinking about it wrong
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06-02-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
No i dont think so why?
Because you probably missplay a lot of hands you win. Not only by sucking out or anything like that, but for example in this hand here, your flop sizing wouldn't be any better if you had won the hand.
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06-02-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DeidaraLP
No i dont think so why?
Then that shows you have a catastrophic misunderstanding of how poker works.
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06-02-2017 , 11:07 PM
Please for the love of god don't ever fold in a spot like this. It would hurt my eyes and I would actually puke every time you did it.

Also betting 1/3 pot here feels like I got kicked in the nuts. It's not pleasant so don't do that again.
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