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03-29-2008 , 09:52 PM
Hi, I have just registered today and this is my first post.
Here's my case:
I started playing on pokerstars at July 2007, and i was a total loser.
After a few month of practise, reading forums and articles, buying 2+2 books, and learned bankroll management, i started to become an above average player (in my stake) in December.

I min deposit $10 and I have accumulated into $200 in a month. (it is slow I know, but that's the best I can do) Next month, i became a bonus hunter.

Everything went fine but then I turned myself from a slightly winning player into a breakeven player.
Because of chasing bonus, I play longer, and more aggressive than usual. I am able to outplay the player in my stake, but also I no longer able to laydown second best hands. All what i think is just to pay enough rakes, so i keep pushing even i know i was beaten. Also deep in my mind I don't care about playing good poker anymore, since i know even when i lose, my bonus is still going to cover my losses.

My bankroll is increasing, but most of them are from the bonus. My hourly rate has decreased a lot, and i have been breaking even for 2 months.

What should I do?
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03-29-2008 , 10:06 PM
What are the blinds you are playing again?
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03-29-2008 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by B C
What are the blinds you are playing again?

0.1/0.2 NL 20
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03-29-2008 , 10:10 PM
I'd say if your playing poker just for one, keep going for the bonuses if you want. But if your playing poker for a source of income, I suggest quit chasing them bonuses and start playing solid poker.
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03-30-2008 , 01:12 AM
lol... NL20 won't be enough for a source of income...(at least in my case)
i know that i'm not playing solid poker right now because of the bonus,but is there a correct mindset that i should have?
Does anyone agree that people will tilt more often when they are chasing bonus?
Having bonus and playing good poker definitely is the best case scenario, i was trying to do so, but i don't know why i can't make good decisions once i became a bonus chaser.
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03-30-2008 , 01:49 AM
I think you mentioned the issue that most people have with it, thinking of bonuses as covering your losses is a psychological trap I've fallen into myself. It's really going to hurt you long term, what happens when there's no more bonus to clear and your playing break even or losing poker?

The best mindset to have is to consider the bonus something completely separate from the rest of your session. I assume your tracking your stats with PT or some other tool but a losing session is a losing session. Concentrate on playing solid poker as others have said and the bonus will clear itself naturally if your putting in enough hands.
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03-30-2008 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by j00ky
Concentrate on playing solid poker as others have said and the bonus will clear itself naturally if your putting in enough hands.
QFT

It all comes down to your strength of mind. You seem to know that you are playing poorly but won't change it. Well all I can say is tough I'm afraid. We can try to offer advice to players here but generally it is because they don't know what the problem is. If you know what the problem is but won't change it what advice are you looking for?
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03-30-2008 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rek
QFT

It all comes down to your strength of mind. You seem to know that you are playing poorly but won't change it. Well all I can say is tough I'm afraid. We can try to offer advice to players here but generally it is because they don't know what the problem is. If you know what the problem is but won't change it what advice are you looking for?
well yea
i know what the problem is, but i want some advices for self-control
how do you laydown good but not great hands?
for example, u have AA, and the flop is completely scattered and rainbow
someone goes all in, and i will never fold in that case
even i do suspect they have the set
and i have been losing money on those situations (I almost never fold AA)
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03-30-2008 , 06:28 AM
ziborbor, I am just going by your post and was assuming that you were a winning player who knew they were playing bad. Perhaps you were just on a good run of variance and are not a winning player.

In your AA example it is almost impossible to lay it down on an uncordinated flop unless you have a super read on opponent. I think the best thing you can do is post actual hands. Giving advice on generalisations is pointless - we need all the variables, i.e. stakes, type of game, chip stacks, reads, etc.
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03-30-2008 , 07:44 AM
When I was trying to clear my bonus I was in a similar situation. I started to have the "F-it" attitude thinking my bonus will make up for it, but as I got closer to clearing it I started to realize that my bonus money wasn't always going to be there and going broke became a growing concern. Now that I've cleared my bonus I feel my play has improved greatly as I no longer have that money to fall back on. Laying down 2nd best hand has become a lot easier.

My advise is to forget you even have a bonus. Focus on playing your A game and stop checking your bonus. Breaking even with your bonus is better than only having your initial deposit after your bonus clears.

AA is the devil's hand. I either win a small pot or lose a huge one, but that's poker I guess.
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03-31-2008 , 08:31 AM
perhaps my AA example is too general
i didn't save that hand history, but let me go through one particular hand:
I was playing NL20, 6max
I have flopped a nut flush, i bet out2/3 the pot and villain calls
on the turn a pair showed up, and the villain went all in
I knew he might have the fullhouse, but i just called, and finally i was proved that i was right (i lost money though)
I didn't laydown because i think he might just have 3 of a kind, plus this is a short hand table!(i know having full house is even more unlikely in shorthand table)
I put the villain as a average player, plus the site i was playing is known as a place full of fish, so i called.
Did i do it right though?
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03-31-2008 , 08:34 AM
No because you guessed he had a FH yet you still called. You made him pay on the flop and he chose to chase and got lucky. Go with your instincts.
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03-31-2008 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dagaco
No because you guessed he had a FH yet you still called. You made him pay on the flop and he chose to chase and got lucky. Go with your instincts.
No, I do not agree at all. You can only put players on a range and at this level they may have a flush as well, trips, 2 pair even. You have to call this. The result does not alter whether your call was correct or not.

The OP was correct albeit the result this time was negative.
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