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11-11-2009 , 08:47 PM

durrr10

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is there such a thing? daniel N. is doing his challange and one of his rules is when he doubles his money on the table he must leave table. i dnt think its unethical but just wanted to know if anyone had any other thoughts

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11-11-2009 , 09:01 PM

cause'n'effect

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Why would it be unethical? Noone bats an eyelid if you cash out when you're losing - in fact it's positively encouraged.

Grief - poker is all about exploitation. If you are worried about ethics you need to play something else.

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11-11-2009 , 09:08 PM

IamPro

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go play bingo, i don't think you have to worry about hit and runs there

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11-11-2009 , 09:26 PM

Combat Waitress

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Ethics are a big thing in live poker but not so much online unless you play nosebleeds, where everyone knows each other and your reputation affects you getting action. Besides, leaving after doubling up is a part of shortstacking strategy - if you double up you're no longer shortstacking.

Haven't seen DN doing his challenge but if shortstacking is a part of it I've lost all the respect I ever had for him (which is not that much in the first place)

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11-11-2009 , 09:28 PM

Nerdrage

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unethical bankroll building would be robbing a bank.

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11-11-2009 , 09:30 PM

nuisance

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No it is not unethical. Simple as that as soon as the money is in front of you it is your money and you are free to do what you like.

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11-11-2009 , 09:35 PM

rtr1129

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What if you have super hero powers to know what cards everyone else has?

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11-11-2009 , 09:38 PM

Combat Waitress

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Originally Posted by rtr1129

What if you have super hero powers to know what cards everyone else has?

you mean would you forget bankroll management and abuse your way to the nosebleeds, or would you make not make it so obvious, or would you take out a $1b lawsuit out on UB and get rich from that?

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11-11-2009 , 09:40 PM

Mr. Smaug

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you can do what ever the **** you want in poker

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11-11-2009 , 09:42 PM

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IamPro

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Originally Posted by rtr1129

What if you have super hero powers to know what cards everyone else has?

WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY

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11-11-2009 , 10:44 PM

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circusmidget

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Originally Posted by durrr10

one of his rules is when he doubles his money on the table he must leave table

Exactly what I do. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to play poker profitably. Whenever I double up, I leave that table and find a new one.

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11-11-2009 , 11:10 PM

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Combat Waitress

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Originally Posted by circusmidget

Exactly what I do. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to play poker profitably. Whenever I double up, I leave that table and find a new one.

Are you a shortstacker? If not, how is leaving after doubling up profitable?

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11-11-2009 , 11:18 PM

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circusmidget

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Originally Posted by Combat Waitress

Are you a shortstacker? If not, how is leaving after doubling up profitable?

Yep. I used to buy in for 50bb. I'm slowly working that up. I'm currently buying in for 75bb.

End of the day, most of the people sitting in with a max buy in are the nitty regs. I prefer to avoid getting in big pots with them, for the most part. I'd rather get it in with the far more fishy ones around which generally have shorter stacks themselves, thus buying in with 250bb doesn't really help me much.

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11-11-2009 , 11:35 PM

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Combat Waitress

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Originally Posted by circusmidget

Just buy in for maximum so you get to win the biggest pots. Not all people who buy in for max are nitty, and nitty people are certainly not always regs (nits are fish, you just play them differently). You have no reason to leave the table after you double up either. You have a psychological advantage over the guy you just stacked and he might buy back and spaz out after, and people respect big stacks more.

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11-11-2009 , 11:44 PM

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circusmidget

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Originally Posted by Combat Waitress

My bankroll wouldn't support playing with a 250bb buyin at the moment. I'd want $100-$150 for that (2NL), and I currently have about $50. Hell, I'm -EV ~9 buyins with 75bb buyins at the moment, if I was buying in 250bb and down the same amount, I'd pretty much have no bankroll left.

Fair points, but I think your last one is a little misguided due to the way that I play. I'm running 9.7/4/28.8. I don't want people respecting my raises any more than they already do; I want them willing to call because "it's not that much."

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11-11-2009 , 11:46 PM

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Tissy187

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Originally Posted by circusmidget

My bankroll wouldn't support playing with a 250bb buyin at the moment. I'd want $100-$150 for that (2NL), and I currently have about $50.

Fair points, but I think your last one is a little misguided due to the way that I play. I'm running 9.7/4/28.8. I don't want people respecting my raises any more than they already do; I want them willing to call because "it's not that much."

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11-11-2009 , 11:48 PM

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circusmidget

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Originally Posted by Tissy187

die

haha. Hatin' on the short-stackin' newbs eh? That's not very nice. :-)

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11-11-2009 , 11:58 PM

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Planetist

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Originally Posted by rtr1129

What if you have super hero powers to know what cards everyone else has?

Exactly what I do. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to play poker profitably.

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11-12-2009 , 12:00 AM

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circusmidget

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Originally Posted by Planetist

Exactly what I do. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to play poker profitably.

Teach me, Jedi Master.

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11-12-2009 , 12:01 AM

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Mr. Smaug

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Theres a big difference between msnl professional short stackers, and shorties who buy in for a certain amount because thats all their bankroll affords.

Before hating, learn to distinguish

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11-12-2009 , 12:02 AM

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Combat Waitress

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Originally Posted by circusmidget

I'm running 9.7/4/28.8

holy **** play poker plz

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11-12-2009 , 12:06 AM

#22

IamPro

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the next Durrrr

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11-12-2009 , 12:35 AM

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TwoGemini

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I might argue that a really good player sitting at a micro table and taking their money just for the hell of it is "unethical" -- I might, but I don't. But certainly that good player leaving the table after only doubling up instead of staying all night is, if anything, an act of mercy.

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11-12-2009 , 02:11 AM

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evitooo

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go to a large college, find someone who plays during class, sit behind him and own him. credit to FML

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11-12-2009 , 03:06 AM

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2thousand9

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You have to cashout at some point. If you cashout when you're up, you're smart. If you cashout when you're down.. you're smart. Only stupid thing to do is play until you're broke. I don't see how anyone could complain if you leave the table after you're 2x what you sat down with.. for all they're concerned with, you just saved them another chunk of their roll they were destined to lose to you.

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