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11-03-2009 , 02:15 AM
I have a serious question. How the f... do you beat micro stakes? Is it possible???!!! I have 10,000+ hands logged with stats of 20/18/4.5 - So I'm playing solid TAG poker. YET, I lose. I am going backwards and burning my bankroll.
Is there any strategy out there that can assist me in turning my TAG game into a winning strategy?

I basically bet good hands, c-bet 3/4 of flops - don't double barrell (this is suicide at micro), selectively 3 bet a range baed on position,and STILL CANT WIN!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!

Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit, I may have a better shot at winning some pocket money for that awesome Susage Roll I can buy at my corner shop.
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11-03-2009 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit,
Yes, but the first step involves building a time machine to get back to 1983.

And the thing is, once you have the time machine, suddenly there's much better options than Donkey Kong...
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11-03-2009 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Yes, but the first step involves building a time machine to get back to 1983.

And the thing is, once you have the time machine, suddenly there's much better options than Donkey Kong...

I see your point. I should be jettisoning off to the future and playin' me some Call of Duty 10 and Far Cry 11.

Good advice.
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11-03-2009 , 02:51 AM
post hand histories. I cant do anything from your ranting
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11-03-2009 , 02:59 AM
Get value, don't bluff, don't pay off when it's obvious they have it. You can have solid preflop stats and still be a losing player. Try reading some of the strategy forums and make a few posts of your own.

Also, cbetting a set percentage of flops may not be the best strategy. Thee are a lot of factors that go into cbetting like the board texture, position, stack sizes, number of players in the pot, tendencies of said players etc. Double barreling isn't always bad, if you've got someone who likes to peel flops big gives up on a lot of turns barreling could be quite profitable.


BTW, how many tables are you playing?
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11-03-2009 , 03:08 AM
Micros are ridiculously beatable. Over 10k hands, if you're not making a profit, you've got some huge leaks. If you're playing anything over 5NL, move down and concentrate on not paying off people's aggression and not firing multiple barrels OOP when you're getting called down with a weakish hand, because you're probably beat in both cases.
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11-03-2009 , 03:17 AM
what stakes?
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11-03-2009 , 03:39 AM
op wussup with dat ass.
name?
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11-03-2009 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
I see your point. I should be jettisoning off to the future and playin' me some Call of Duty 10 and Far Cry 11.

Good advice.
omg by the time we get to cod10 that games going to be unreal
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11-03-2009 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
I have a serious question. How the f... do you beat micro stakes? Is it possible???!!!
yes

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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
Is there any strategy out there that can assist me in turning my TAG game into a winning strategy?
Not really but there's of lot of information available that can help

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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
I basically bet good hands, c-bet 3/4 of flops - don't double barrell (this is suicide at micro), selectively 3 bet a range baed on position,and STILL CANT WIN!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!
Ahh!!! If only it was that simple

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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit, I may have a better shot at winning some pocket money for that awesome Susage Roll I can buy at my corner shop.
Good luck beating that Steve wiebe fella
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11-03-2009 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit, I may have a better shot at winning some pocket money
I prefer Connect 4 and Battleships 2bh
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11-03-2009 , 05:52 AM
Sounds like you suck at postflop. Watch a couple videos, play more, post hands, get better
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11-03-2009 , 09:56 AM
Lots of good advice & comments here. thanking you all + 2ers

I think my biggest leak is not folding to aggression. I have found it hard to lay down against 3 or 4 bets, and basically lose more big pots than I should.

I've been multi tabling, have PT3 w/HUD and basically being lazy & not reviewing my hands or posting here. I should really be doing better, it's just laziness.

I shall change this and justify the investment in all those glossy poker books on the mantle I haven't properly read. Well, except for Phil Hellmuth's, that's emergency loo paper for camping expeditions.

The strategy threads look very encouraging. I'm liking WCGRider's why you suck at uNL - very appropriate heading!

At least I have a solid TAG game to work from as a base, but obviously need to gain more discipline and understanding of specific situations.

Connect 4 and Battleship is right up there. But we're forgetting the majors....Pro Circuit Super Mario, Alex Kid and Street Fighter II.

Royal Flushes to you all
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11-03-2009 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CBorders
Get value, don't bluff, don't pay off when it's obvious they have it. You can have solid preflop stats and still be a losing player. Try reading some of the strategy forums and make a few posts of your own.

Also, cbetting a set percentage of flops may not be the best strategy. Thee are a lot of factors that go into cbetting like the board texture, position, stack sizes, number of players in the pot, tendencies of said players etc. Double barreling isn't always bad, if you've got someone who likes to peel flops big gives up on a lot of turns barreling could be quite profitable.


BTW, how many tables are you playing?
Liking this.

Payoff is my biggest leak I think. Because I'm usually the aggressor, I tend to hate folding to replied aggression. It's like, why didn't he fold, ok half a buy in commited, jam time. So bad. I need to stop falling in love with my hands against raises, even though I have a solid starting range. The flop's my biggest killer there. I bet or 3bet, get raised or 4 betted against, i call, see flop, c-bet in position and get reraised all in. I'm generally behind here despite good hand selection.

I feel My actual c betting and double barreling is ok. I use opponents fold to flop bet / fold to turn bet % as a main deciding factor there - Dependant upon texture of board as well.
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11-03-2009 , 10:15 AM
I can't believe no one's said this yet: 10,000 hands is not enough to determine whether or not you're a winning player.
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11-03-2009 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
I have a serious question. How the f... do you beat micro stakes? Is it possible???!!! I have 10,000+ hands logged with stats of 20/18/4.5 - So I'm playing solid TAG poker. YET, I lose. I am going backwards and burning my bankroll.
Is there any strategy out there that can assist me in turning my TAG game into a winning strategy?

I basically bet good hands, c-bet 3/4 of flops - don't double barrell (this is suicide at micro), selectively 3 bet a range baed on position,and STILL CANT WIN!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!

Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit, I may have a better shot at winning some pocket money for that awesome Susage Roll I can buy at my corner shop.
I just want to let you know that playing 20/18/4.5 does not mean you are playing solid TAG poker....

preflop stats are a good start, but there is a lot more involved than just trying to stay within in a certain stat range
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11-03-2009 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AnonyOne
I can't believe no one's said this yet: 10,000 hands is not enough to determine whether or not you're a winning player.
Indeed. Its ofc. just variance...not any leaks


>_>
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11-03-2009 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ShrKJumpiNTaGr
I have a serious question. How the f... do you beat micro stakes? Is it possible???!!! I have 10,000+ hands logged with stats of 20/18/4.5 - So I'm playing solid TAG poker. YET, I lose. I am going backwards and burning my bankroll.
Is there any strategy out there that can assist me in turning my TAG game into a winning strategy?

I basically bet good hands, c-bet 3/4 of flops - don't double barrell (this is suicide at micro), selectively 3 bet a range baed on position,and STILL CANT WIN!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!

Or should I quit and start playing donkey kong and pacman for bets of $1 a game? If there's a professional pacman / donkey kong circuit, I may have a better shot at winning some pocket money for that awesome Susage Roll I can buy at my corner shop.
Maybe tighten up? You can crush playing 16/13, so why play 20/18?

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Originally Posted by The 1-2 Teddy
Over 10k hands, if you're not making a profit, you've got some huge leaks.
Not true, 10k break even is absolutely standard even for people crushing the game.
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11-03-2009 , 11:12 AM
Reading through the internet, I'm amazed how many players multitable yet don't really understand concept of the plays and moves they're trying to make. Even tho', many get away with it, just cuz there's more fish in the sea than sharks.

My point? Learn to play poker, before you run into multitable donk****. ;-)
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11-03-2009 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AnonyOne
I can't believe no one's said this yet: 10,000 hands is not enough to determine whether or not you're a winning player.
Fair call, but after 10k hands and solid TAG stats, you'd think I'd be a little positive What amount of hands do you suggest qualifies?

I have reviewed my hand histories though, I'm not folding enough to replied aggression, so I'm losing massive there against nit ranged 3 & 4 bets.

Otherwise, my game seems quite solid.
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11-03-2009 , 07:20 PM
there's more to winning at poker than just having 20/18 stats and cbetting, you know.
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11-03-2009 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Yes, but the first step involves building a time machine to get back to 1983.
Or just find a Delorean that goes at least 88mph...

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And the thing is, once you have the time machine, suddenly there's much better options than Donkey Kong...
Yeah, like pure, legal and readily-available MDMA...

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11-03-2009 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hooheehaa
there's more to winning at poker than just having 20/18 stats and cbetting, you know.
i know. that's why im posting here
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11-03-2009 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tissy187
I just want to let you know that playing 20/18/4.5 does not mean you are playing solid TAG poker....

preflop stats are a good start, but there is a lot more involved than just trying to stay within in a certain stat range
I understand this. I'm only mentioning the stats to help you understand my basic style of play. I don't EXPECT to win with these stats, but as you've said "a good start".

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11-03-2009 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hoplo
op wussup with dat ass.
name?
I've been working out, you noticed?
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