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Thoughts on King Queen suited? Thoughts on King Queen suited?

10-16-2022 , 10:21 PM
How should you generally play King Queen suited? should we be raising it up like it's Ace Queen, or should we be treating it more like a drawing hand like a low suited ace or maybe some other strategy? I'm talking regular medium stack like 20 to 40 blinds or so.

Thanks

Thoughts on King Queen off would be helpful too.
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10-16-2022 , 10:37 PM
I always thought the KK hand in rounders vs teddy would have been a better scene if it was KQs.

Raise KQs any position 2 to 3 big blinds. But more importantly learn basic preflop range construction.
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10-16-2022 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I always thought the KK hand in rounders vs teddy would have been a better scene if it was KQs.

Raise KQs any position 2 to 3 big blinds. But more importantly learn basic preflop range construction.
Thanks. Yes I'm working on it, and asking for feedback. Appreciate your feedback.
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10-17-2022 , 10:16 AM
I'm a little confused by the question. You are making a distinction between a hand you would raise with and a hand you would treat as a drawing hand. Does that mean that for a drawing hand you would limp? Generally speaking, you should be open raising with any hand that you want to play, whether it is AA, AQ, KQs or 65s. There will be a difference in how you play when facing a raise or a 3-bet, but to open you shouldn't be making a distinction between "raising hands" and "drawing hands". All hands should be either raising hands or folding hands (and obviously the same hand can be either one depending on your position and opponents).
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10-17-2022 , 10:42 AM
Yeah I thought it was clear that op needs fundamental preflop lesson too, but I was quickly dozing off at that point.

Either a hand is a functional and profitable part of an opening range(nobody else has entered pot. raise or fold. No open limp for a long time), or its an unprofitable hand(fold).

At a 9 handed no ante table with rake, a beginner should play a very strong range utg(first to act to start the hand). I suggest TT+, AJs+, AQo, KQs. In comparison, an experienced well studied player will play 88, ATs there if it's not a tough table, and probably much more.
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10-17-2022 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
I'm a little confused by the question. You are making a distinction between a hand you would raise with and a hand you would treat as a drawing hand. Does that mean that for a drawing hand you would limp? Generally speaking, you should be open raising with any hand that you want to play, whether it is AA, AQ, KQs or 65s. There will be a difference in how you play when facing a raise or a 3-bet, but to open you shouldn't be making a distinction between "raising hands" and "drawing hands". All hands should be either raising hands or folding hands (and obviously the same hand can be either one depending on your position and opponents).
Thanks for your reply.

I guess I meant in terms of raise sizing or just the general idea of what you are looking to do with this particular hand. Like for instance Ace Jack is good, but not so good against a 4-bet range for instance.
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10-17-2022 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mallot1
How should you generally play King Queen suited? should we be raising it up like it's Ace Queen, or should we be treating it more like a drawing hand like a low suited ace or maybe some other strategy? I'm talking regular medium stack like 20 to 40 blinds or so.

Thanks

Thoughts on King Queen off would be helpful too.

Edit: This is for low to mid stakes MTT $5 to $20.
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10-17-2022 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Yeah I thought it was clear that op needs fundamental preflop lesson too, but I was quickly dozing off at that point.

Either a hand is a functional and profitable part of an opening range(nobody else has entered pot. raise or fold. No open limp for a long time), or its an unprofitable hand(fold).

At a 9 handed no ante table with rake, a beginner should play a very strong range utg(first to act to start the hand). I suggest TT+, AJs+, AQo, KQs. In comparison, an experienced well studied player will play 88, ATs there if it's not a tough table, and probably much more.
Thanks. I will work on building some pre-flop ranges for the specific positions at the table. I know I can play a more open range with suited connectors, and aces, etc later and you want to play tighter earlier but I don't have a range chart or anything just yet.
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10-17-2022 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mallot1
I guess I meant in terms of raise sizing...
You base the size of your raise based on your hand?
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10-17-2022 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
You base the size of your raise based on your hand?
Doesn't everybody?
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10-18-2022 , 01:34 AM
No, most people like to play their cards face down.
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10-18-2022 , 11:53 AM
Look at the range grids in this thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...018-a-1696825/

The majority of my experience No limit holdem is no limit holdem mtt. Thus I'm not well versed in cash game starting ranges and I cant recommend this nor that. However, the principle of establishing a strong opening range that varies in composition depending on the number of opponents as the singular most important factor will always be the driving force in range construction no matter the format.

Look at the shapes of the ranges. The arrow points to AA, and there's a few more suited hands than offsuit. This is true for any default readless preflop strategy.

"raise sizing"

First you pick a raise size that best suits your tendencies and your opposition. Then you decide the range that yields the most ev with that size.
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10-18-2022 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
You base the size of your raise based on your hand?
No, I don't. Maybe when I first started lol.
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10-18-2022 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalaea
No, most people like to play their cards face down.
I play mine face up. It's easier to remember your hand that way.
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10-18-2022 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Look at the range grids in this thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...018-a-1696825/

The majority of my experience No limit holdem is no limit holdem mtt. Thus I'm not well versed in cash game starting ranges and I cant recommend this nor that. However, the principle of establishing a strong opening range that varies in composition depending on the number of opponents as the singular most important factor will always be the driving force in range construction no matter the format.

Look at the shapes of the ranges. The arrow points to AA, and there's a few more suited hands than offsuit. This is true for any default readless preflop strategy.

"raise sizing"

First you pick a raise size that best suits your tendencies and your opposition. Then you decide the range that yields the most ev with that size.
Thanks I will keep working on my range. I mostly play 6 or 8 handed.
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