Lets say you're playing MSNL 6max deep stack, you're dealt KK UTG. You raise 5bb, everyone folds. Cutoff 3bets to 15bb. All fold. You're happen to know cutoff only 3bets with premium pairs, JJ-AA and maybe with AKs. From his range of possible hands you're only dominated by AA, you're beating 4 out of 5 of his range (JJ, QQ, KK, AK) does it mean its an easy all-in? In other words, 3 out of 5 times you'll get payed and on one time (KK v KK) you'll stay breakeven.

Please move to beginners forum.

Thanks and sorry about the mishap.

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edit: to help you. its not that easy but you are kinda close. get pokerstove and add in your ranges. will get u much further than guessing probabilities

KK Preflop = always easy All-IN.

Getting KK in pre is more or less never a mistake. Especially 100bbs deep. If your 250bbs plus against a super nit then maybe dont get it in, but apart from that just get the money in pre.

prob just call and chk fold flop

Sounds like an easy min-raise/fold.

4bet for info, if he 5bets you his range narrows down to AA and you can easily fold..
I know most people will say that it's BS, but hey, most people lose money at poker!

KK is bad to go all in with because the other guy has an ace and an ace comes on the board 99.9% of the time in these situations, so easy fold.

Sounds like Phil Hellmuths line with KK

How deepstacked?

Just call his 3 bet pre flop and min bet the flop. When he raises jam all in. If there is an ace on the flop then just c/f.

You're thinking about it the right way, but take note of the combinations of cards left in the deck. You have KK, so there are 6 combinations of JJ, 6 combinations of QQ, 6 combinations of AA, only 1 other combination of KK and 8 combinations of AK. You also have to think about winning chances of the various hands (you won't always win vs AK/JJ/QQ, you won't always lose vs AA)

You can use pokerstove for this:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.971% 64.26% 01.71% 217859136 5805990.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 34.029% 32.32% 01.71% 109565076 5805990.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }

So you're ahead of CO's range

BTW at MSNL there's unlikely to be someone bad enough to only 3bet AA/AK/KK/QQ/JJ

wow thanks for this

The math is not so straightforward i think.

You said that he 3bet to 15bb. When you ask, "is this an easy all-in?", do you really mean 4bet shoving (I suppose not?) or 4bet/call shove ?

chu kno what bro, i actually think alot of this statement with respect to many villans, i also think it much better advice for a full ring game thou, not so sure about 6max, at least not as it is played online. if your not getting KK in online sixmax , prolly losing value, that said every time I fourbet KK and call a shove I see AA.

Remember that when you are thinking of betting/raising, it isn't enough to compare your hand versus Villain's range before you bet - you have to consider what hands Villain will actually call your bet/raise with. Doing this enables you to figure out your fold equity (the percentage of times Villain folds * what you win when he folds) as well as your pot equity (the percentage of times Villain calls * your expected value, based on his calling range, when he calls). The two together make up your expectation for the play. Obviously it gets more complicated when you are not going all-in, since there is potential for more action later in the hand, but the general principle is the same - calculate fold equity and pot equity based on Villain's folding and calling ranges.

In your example, for instance, if Villain folds JJ and QQ and goes in with everything else, the combos of JJ and QQ would go to your calculations for fold equity and the combos of AA/KK/AK would go to your calculations of pot equity.